Full Version: Salary Cap Set At $56.7m
or have they already? ive been away for 2 weeks. just getting all the news of what the Flyers have done so far. I like what i see so far. I think the umberger move had to happen.
QUOTE (kspice32790 @ Jun 24 2008, 11:10 PM) 
or have they already? ive been away for 2 weeks. just getting all the news of what the Flyers have done so far. I like what i see so far. I think the umberger move had to happen.
I believe during the draft I heard July 1 as the announce date, but I may be mistaken.
QUOTE (Moose Dupont @ Jun 25 2008, 07:45 AM)
I believe during the draft I heard July 1 as the announce date, but I may be mistaken.
Bettman is completely joke if he wait to the start of free agency to set the cap. It's bad enough they wait this long.
I think they are going to announce it this week sometime. I heard somewhere that they will anounce it Friday and expect it to be around $56 million.
It is expected to be announced by June 28th.
QUOTE (Retire#27 @ Jun 25 2008, 10:25 PM)
It is expected to be announced by June 28th.
That's what I heard also. And rumors are that it could be raised anywhere from 3 to 5 million. But, that's obviously just rumor at this point.
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:44 PM)
That's what I heard also. And rumors are that it could be raised anywhere from 3 to 5 million. But, that's obviously just rumor at this point.
The NHLPA estimates $56,300,000 for the upper limit.
Salary Cap announced today
new limit = $56.7 million... no player may earn more than $11.34 million/year
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241724&lid...=headlines_main
new limit = $56.7 million... no player may earn more than $11.34 million/year
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241724&lid...=headlines_main
QUOTE (Model Citizen @ Jun 26 2008, 02:29 PM)
Salary Cap announced today
new limit = $56.7 million... no player may earn more than $11.34 million/year
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241724&lid...=headlines_main
new limit = $56.7 million... no player may earn more than $11.34 million/year
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=241724&lid...=headlines_main
Hasn't been announced yet.
"Sources tell TSN that for the 2008-09 season, the salary cap will rise to a maximum of $56.7-million."
QUOTE (Dave44 @ Jun 26 2008, 02:50 PM)
OK, now it's announced. Nice, an extra $400k over early estimates.
Gives us about $8.5million to sign 2 centers, 1 winger, and 1 defenseman (considering Downie and Giroux on active roster). Good situation.
QUOTE (Retire#27 @ Jun 26 2008, 02:54 PM)
Gives us about $8.5million to sign 2 centers, 1 winger, and 1 defenseman (considering Downie and Giroux on active roster). Good situation.
That doesn't seem too bad.
great news
this is great for flyers and big market teams... but wtf was the point of a lockout, in 4 years the cap has been raised from $39M to $56.7m thats RIDICULOUS... im used to the un capped hockey i grew up with... FIRE BETTMAN
dam i was hoping it would be 57 i think we needed that extra 600,000
Awesome News!!! Perhaps we'll see Carter, Jones and Cote signed by the end of the week.. Then we can go after a Puck Carrying Defenseman.
QUOTE (ibanez @ Jun 26 2008, 03:01 PM)
Awesome News!!! Perhaps we'll see Carter, Jones and Cote signed by the end of the week.. Then we can go after a Puck Carrying Defenseman.
Who thinks we will resign Thoresen?
QUOTE (flyersflyersflyers24 @ Jun 26 2008, 03:08 PM)
Who thinks we will resign Thoresen?
I do. I think they will send him a qualifying offer.
good news.
QUOTE (ibanez @ Jun 26 2008, 03:01 PM)
Awesome News!!! Perhaps we'll see Carter, Jones and Cote signed by the end of the week.. Then we can go after a Puck Carrying Defenseman.
I don't think we will resign Jones if we intend to pursue a puck carrying defenseman unless Hatcher says he will retire. Since if we sign Jones that would give us, Timonen, Coburn, Parent, Hatcher, Eminger, Jones. Six defensemen, so if we signed another defenseman he would ether bump Jones or Eminger and it wouldn't make sense to sign Jones if he is getting bumped it would be wasted money and I doubt we will make Eminger a healthy scratch when we just traded a 1st rounder for him.
QUOTE (G.O.A.T. @ Jun 26 2008, 03:18 PM)
I don't think we will resign Jones if we intend to pursue a puck carrying defenseman unless Hatcher says he will retire. Since if we sign Jones that would give us, Timonen, Coburn, Parent, Hatcher, Eminger, Jones. Six defensemen, so if we signed another defenseman he would ether bump Jones or Eminger and it wouldn't make sense to sign Jones if he is getting bumped it would be wasted money and I doubt we will make Eminger a healthy scratch when we just traded a 1st rounder for him.
I see Parent as getting bumped, at least at the beginning of the season or being platooned with Hatcher (which I really wouldn't agree with but if Hatch isn't going anywhere maybe this is a way to keep him somewhat healthier).
Also what is the deal with Kukkonen's contract status?
QUOTE (Dancin' Shawny @ Jun 26 2008, 02:22 PM)
I see Parent as getting bumped, at least at the beginning of the season or being platooned with Hatcher (which I really wouldn't agree with but if Hatch isn't going anywhere maybe this is a way to keep him somewhat healthier).
Also what is the deal with Kukkonen's contract status?
Also what is the deal with Kukkonen's contract status?
Kukkonen has one year left on his contract.
QUOTE (Wolftep @ Jun 26 2008, 03:30 PM)
Kukkonen has one year left on his contract.
Thanks, I know I'm coming off as very optimistic around the boards today, but I think Kukkonen will improve a lot this year. I saw more things I liked from him last year than Parent.
QUOTE (Dancin' Shawny @ Jun 26 2008, 03:33 PM)
Thanks, I know I'm coming off as very optimistic around the boards today, but I think Kukkonen will improve a lot this year. I saw more things I liked from him last year than Parent.
Yeh Kukks, played hard, even though he had some mistakes. Parent I think just needs some Exp. I'd put Kukk on the 3rd line...
QUOTE (ibanez @ Jun 26 2008, 03:36 PM)
Yeh Kukks, played hard, even though he had some mistakes. Parent I think just needs some Exp. I'd put Kukk on the 3rd line...
I feel both played hard and made mistakes. It is easy to make a case against either of these guys. I just felt that what it came down to was that Parent was getting knocked off the puck a bit too easily, and when Kuk started playing with a.........VENGEANCE.....he was very effective.
QUOTE (Dave44 @ Jun 26 2008, 02:50 PM)
Very good news for the Flyers.
QUOTE (flyersflyersflyers24 @ Jun 26 2008, 03:08 PM)
Who thinks we will resign Thoresen?
I think they will. His work ethic alone is an asset to the Flyers. And, hasn't he played a bit of center in his career? If so, that would also be an asset for the Flyers.
I think this is what the Flyers were waiting on being announced before coming forward with details on a Carter deal. Hopefully anyway.
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed. If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko? Has anyone heard what Dowd plans on doing? He's a cheap 4th line center who showed he's capable of helping the Flyers, even at his age.
I hope Cote isn't looking for a raise if he's going to be re-signed. 3 minutes of ice time a game doesn't deserve a raise, imo. And he's certainly not a feared enforcer in the league. Do they let Downie fill that role instead, since he's capable of earning more than 3 minutes of ice time a game? He's not the greatest fighter, or a feared one either. But, neither is Cote. I think that money could be put to better use elsewhere.
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 26 2008, 03:51 PM)
Very good news for the Flyers.
I think they will. His work ethic alone is an asset to the Flyers. And, hasn't he played a bit of center in his career? If so, that would also be an asset for the Flyers.
I think this is what the Flyers were waiting on being announced before coming forward with details on a Carter deal. Hopefully anyway.
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed. If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko? Has anyone heard what Dowd plans on doing? He's a cheap 4th line center who showed he's capable of helping the Flyers, even at his age.
I hope Cote isn't looking for a raise if he's going to be re-signed. 3 minutes of ice time a game doesn't deserve a raise, imo. And he's certainly not a feared enforcer in the league. Do they let Downie fill that role instead, since he's capable of earning more than 3 minutes of ice time a game? He's not the greatest fighter, or a feared one either. But, neither is Cote. I think that money could be put to better use elsewhere.
Kukks is signed for another year, Shawny.
I think they will. His work ethic alone is an asset to the Flyers. And, hasn't he played a bit of center in his career? If so, that would also be an asset for the Flyers.
I think this is what the Flyers were waiting on being announced before coming forward with details on a Carter deal. Hopefully anyway.
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed. If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko? Has anyone heard what Dowd plans on doing? He's a cheap 4th line center who showed he's capable of helping the Flyers, even at his age.
I hope Cote isn't looking for a raise if he's going to be re-signed. 3 minutes of ice time a game doesn't deserve a raise, imo. And he's certainly not a feared enforcer in the league. Do they let Downie fill that role instead, since he's capable of earning more than 3 minutes of ice time a game? He's not the greatest fighter, or a feared one either. But, neither is Cote. I think that money could be put to better use elsewhere.
Kukks is signed for another year, Shawny.
Look Andy, I know you are close to a 1,000 posts but double posting? C'mon now. You'll get there soon enough, ha ha.
The cap announcement as a reason for the wait on Carter makes sense.
I also didn't realize that we needed to sign Eminger and Niskala.
Man I hate figuring out numbers. I know hockey, not contracts.
thats good news
QUOTE (Dancin' Shawny @ Jun 26 2008, 03:55 PM)
Look Andy, I know you are close to a 1,000 posts but double posting? C'mon now. You'll get there soon enough, ha ha.
Lol. I couldn't care less what my post count is. An error came up loading the page when I first posted it. So, I loaded the board in another tab, and the post wasn't there. So, I reloaded the post submission, and suddenly, both were there. Sorry. Fixed now.
Yeah, working out these numbers is awfully confusing when they're this close to the cap limit. Should be an interesting next few days, at least.
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 26 2008, 03:50 PM)
Very good news for the Flyers.
I think they will. His work ethic alone is an asset to the Flyers. And, hasn't he played a bit of center in his career? If so, that would also be an asset for the Flyers.
I think this is what the Flyers were waiting on being announced before coming forward with details on a Carter deal. Hopefully anyway.
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed. If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko? Has anyone heard what Dowd plans on doing? He's a cheap 4th line center who showed he's capable of helping the Flyers, even at his age.
I hope Cote isn't looking for a raise if he's going to be re-signed. 3 minutes of ice time a game doesn't deserve a raise, imo. And he's certainly not a feared enforcer in the league. Do they let Downie fill that role instead, since he's capable of earning more than 3 minutes of ice time a game? He's not the greatest fighter, or a feared one either. But, neither is Cote. I think that money could be put to better use elsewhere.
I think they will. His work ethic alone is an asset to the Flyers. And, hasn't he played a bit of center in his career? If so, that would also be an asset for the Flyers.
I think this is what the Flyers were waiting on being announced before coming forward with details on a Carter deal. Hopefully anyway.
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed. If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko? Has anyone heard what Dowd plans on doing? He's a cheap 4th line center who showed he's capable of helping the Flyers, even at his age.
I hope Cote isn't looking for a raise if he's going to be re-signed. 3 minutes of ice time a game doesn't deserve a raise, imo. And he's certainly not a feared enforcer in the league. Do they let Downie fill that role instead, since he's capable of earning more than 3 minutes of ice time a game? He's not the greatest fighter, or a feared one either. But, neither is Cote. I think that money could be put to better use elsewhere.
One of the papers reported a while back that holmgren isn't going after jim dowd.
QUOTE (GoFlyers68 @ Jun 26 2008, 03:59 PM)
One of the papers reported a while back that holmgren isn't going after jim dowd.
Ah, ok. I guess I missed that. Thanks.
So I wonder if Tolpeko is their plan for the 4th line center, if Thoresen isn't capable of playing center.
I just don't see other Free Agents being very possible after these few that need to be re-signed here get done. Especially if Jonesy is still in the plans. I don't see much money being left over to play with.What's the deal with Rathje and his LTIR status? I know he's on it, but if he were to retire, would that open up some more cash to work with?
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 26 2008, 04:06 PM)
Ah, ok. I guess I missed that. Thanks.
So I wonder if Tolpeko is their plan for the 4th line center, if Thoresen isn't capable of playing center. I just don't see other Free Agents being very possible after these few that need to be re-signed here get done. Especially if Jonesy is still in the plans. I don't see much money being left over to play with.
What's the deal with Rathje and his LTIR status? I know he's on it, but if he were to retire, would that open up some more cash to work with?
So I wonder if Tolpeko is their plan for the 4th line center, if Thoresen isn't capable of playing center.
I just don't see other Free Agents being very possible after these few that need to be re-signed here get done. Especially if Jonesy is still in the plans. I don't see much money being left over to play with.What's the deal with Rathje and his LTIR status? I know he's on it, but if he were to retire, would that open up some more cash to work with?
Tolpeko is also a no go because he has signed a contract in russia. I wonder how one of the top phantoms players would do centering our 4th line?
I think Thoresen is a good fit for this team based on the needs. He's a 4th liner that still could grow into something better.
QUOTE (Dancin' Shawny @ Jun 26 2008, 03:22 PM)
I see Parent as getting bumped, at least at the beginning of the season or being platooned with Hatcher (which I really wouldn't agree with but if Hatch isn't going anywhere maybe this is a way to keep him somewhat healthier).
Also what is the deal with Kukkonen's contract status?
Also what is the deal with Kukkonen's contract status?
That is possible, as he is the only one with a 2 way contract. Though they did originally say Parent has a very strong chance of being an everyday defenseman.
I feel they would rather have Parent in the lineup then Jones though. The Eminger trade gives me a feeling they may be moving on, his potential is much higher then Jones but he will sign for basically the same price.
I haven't heard much about negotiations with Jones since that trade.
I liked Kukkonen last year too. I feel he had a good season and was judged unfairly. Plus he was forced to play with Modry a lot which can't help anyone haha.
I have a feeling unless he impresses in training camp or preseason he will be gone though.
QUOTE (G.O.A.T. @ Jun 26 2008, 04:34 PM)
I liked Kukkonen last year too. I feel he had a good season and was judged unfairly. Plus he was forced to play with Modry a lot which can't help anyone haha.
I have a feeling unless he impresses in training camp or preseason he will be gone though.
You talking Kukkonen might be gone? I can't say I'd agree with that move. It'll be interesting to say the least.
QUOTE (GoFlyers68 @ Jun 26 2008, 04:10 PM)
Tolpeko is also a no go because he has signed a contract in russia. I wonder how one of the top phantoms players would do centering our 4th line?
****. Guess I missed that too. Bad news. He probably could have had a regular spot with the way things are turning out. I don't think any of the other Phantom centers are really capable of being a checking center. Zingoni maybe, but he's not exactly a strong defensive center. I wonder if Homer will change his plans regarding Dowd. They need someone cheap, and capable defensively. And he fits that role.
Looking good!
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 26 2008, 02:50 PM)
So, let's see. They need Carter signed. Thoresen signed. Jones, Eminger, and Niskala signed.
No need to worry about signing Niskala, at least as far as the cap is concerned, since he'll likely be wearing a Phantoms jersey full time next season.
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If Thoresen can't play center, who would be that other center for them? Tolpeko?
According to his bio page on tsn.ca, Thoresen is listed as a W/C, so they could make him the 4th line center.
QUOTE (Dancin' Shawny @ Jun 26 2008, 04:36 PM)
You talking Kukkonen might be gone? I can't say I'd agree with that move. It'll be interesting to say the least.
Just the way it looks to me. He doesn't have a two way contract so he would get picked off waivers.
Timonen
Coburn
Hatcher
Eminger
Parent
Jones
- If Jones is resigned I see Kukkonen being out.
- If Jones doesn't resign they will try to sign someone out of Free Agency.
I only see Lasse staying if Jones walks and we don't sign anyone out of free agency. Or trading for someone.
Even then he will still probably have to earn it. If they have the cap space Gauthier may even find his way back up to the NHL.
I like Lasse but I don't have a great feeling about his future with us.
I guess it depends more on Hatcher's status. Because if you plug in a free agent and keep Jones, Kukkonen is your 7th. Which goes back to who is really the 7th, Parent or Kukkonen.
The picked off Waviers thing is a definite possibility.
The picked off Waviers thing is a definite possibility.
What if we stick with the 7 guys we have (by signing Jones) and see how it plays out? Sign Carter to a long contract, in addition to Thor. We are deep enough at forward that we could make a mid season trade for some help on D if necessary. I kind of like the core of d men we have now, the more I think about it. It's a young group, let's see what they can do.
QUOTE (Chocula78 @ Jun 26 2008, 04:55 PM)
What if we stick with the 7 guys we have (by signing Jones) and see how it plays out? Sign Carter to a long contract, in addition to Thor. We are deep enough at forward that we could make a mid season trade for some help on D if necessary. I kind of like the core of d men we have now, the more I think about it. It's a young group, let's see what they can do.
I think a reason you go for a Free Agent is that you are bidding with your wallet as opposed to being in a power/no power situation when it comes to trade assets. And I think it's pretty agreed upon all around that the Flyers need to pick up a D-man and then make a decision on what young guys will fill out the remaining spots.
QUOTE (Andy @ Jun 26 2008, 03:06 PM)
What's the deal with Rathje and his LTIR status? I know he's on it, but if he were to retire, would that open up some more cash to work with?
Free up cash to work with? Yes. Help with the cap situation? No.
If he stays on the LTIR full time, none of his contract counts against the cap, just like none of it counted last season (or technically raised the Flyers allowable cap space by $3.5M). To Rathje's benefit though, he still got paid $3.5M last season.
If he retires, his contract does not count against the cap AND to the Flyers benefit, they don't have to pay him $3.5M this season (or the season after that either).
Unless Rathje feels bad about taking the money, I would suspect that he'll be on the LTIR for the next two seasons, collecting $7M during that time, and then retire.
Remember how everyone tought we overpaid Briere,Timonen,Hartnell last year. We sure gave them a lot of money to get them but it was all part of a plan.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
They could always put Thoressen as the 4th line Center...Downie and Cote as the Wingers. That's one **** of a checking line if you ask me.
Then we won't need to sign another Center. We'll have Briere, Richy, and Carter.
Then we won't need to sign another Center. We'll have Briere, Richy, and Carter.
QUOTE (Byrns @ Jun 26 2008, 05:23 PM)
Remember how everyone tought we overpaid Briere,Timonen,Hartnell last year. We sure gave them a lot of money to get them but it was all part of a plan.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
+1
QUOTE (Byrns @ Jun 26 2008, 05:23 PM)
Remember how everyone tought we overpaid Briere,Timonen,Hartnell last year. We sure gave them a lot of money to get them but it was all part of a plan.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
Paul Holmgren is a genius, he knew the cap was going to go up every year and that's why he gave long-term contracts (Richards) so that they can't get raises, the cap grows up every
year so that means he can get some better players as well. As the years pass by, we will get only better in my opinion...until the next NHL lockout..
I think we should all agree that Homer was last season's MVP.
The cap is completely based on revenue. The NHL has had two great years in a row. But it will begin to taper off soon and quickly. Don't expect $6-7million bumps every year.
If Carter gets 5 mill a season... then we have 3.5 to spend on Jones, Eminger, Cote, and any FA... so yeah, its not gonna happen.
What I suspect is that Homer has the contract being paid in small increases, so that the bulk of Carter's contract is paid out in his final season where we have MUCH more cap room.
idk what we can do about a 4th line center. Thor is a cheep solution. So is Dowd. Idk whats gonna happen but 3.5 mil isnt a lot.
What I suspect is that Homer has the contract being paid in small increases, so that the bulk of Carter's contract is paid out in his final season where we have MUCH more cap room.
idk what we can do about a 4th line center. Thor is a cheep solution. So is Dowd. Idk whats gonna happen but 3.5 mil isnt a lot.
QUOTE (Primeau04 @ Jun 26 2008, 07:43 PM)
If Carter gets 5 mill a season... then we have 3.5 to spend on Jones, Eminger, Cote, and any FA... so yeah, its not gonna happen.
What I suspect is that Homer has the contract being paid in small increases, so that the bulk of Carter's contract is paid out in his final season where we have MUCH more cap room.
idk what we can do about a 4th line center. Thor is a cheep solution. So is Dowd. Idk whats gonna happen but 3.5 mil isnt a lot.
What I suspect is that Homer has the contract being paid in small increases, so that the bulk of Carter's contract is paid out in his final season where we have MUCH more cap room.
idk what we can do about a 4th line center. Thor is a cheep solution. So is Dowd. Idk whats gonna happen but 3.5 mil isnt a lot.
Keep Dowd for 1 more year? he comes cheap or why not put Thoresen as a 4th line centerman.
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