I completely agree with you about Gagne. However I don't think Hatcher is going to be healthy enough to warrant an A.

all these +1's and and 2's... i said it first :*(

for some reason, i get all hot and bothered when we talk about captains and alternate captains. I think we should do co-captains!!! Timonen and Briere wear C's and Richie, Gags, and Carts wear A's. maybe Knubs too.

mmm i done know, i have always liekd the tradition of a single captain
with the ammount of leadership oo this team i think it owuld make sense, but i would still like to see a sole captain on the flyers
i wouldnt mind a sole captain---3 As

I think they give Gagne the 'A' for being loyal and honourable. Being the longest serving Flyer on the roster at present.

agree thank you

Richards...

really? i would have never guessed!

I think it should be...
C- Kimmo
A- Richards
A- Maybe Briere or Hatch...I cant decide.

Id say Kimmo no doubt

Kimmo sure wouldn't be a suprise. However I believe it will be Ritchie.

can somebody explain why they think that gagne is not captain material? Anything that i've seen, or that i've heard coaches or players say about him have treated him as if he is a definite leader, though what do they know

I haven't read through this thread so I apologize if I've misunderstood anything but I think the Flyers do consider Gags to be captain material. They've asked him to be the captain in the past and he said he wasn't ready and didn't want it.

From what I've heard, he is completely a leader in the locker room (of course this isn't first-hand).

But anyway, the whole issue is a little over-blown. It's pretty simple: The longest-tenured NHL player with good leadership skills and has earned respect with officials should get the C (Timonen). The younger players with leadership skills but not as much experience dealing with officials and the other duties that come along with being a captain should get the A (Richards and Gagne). Gagne gets the A because he is a leader and he has been with this team for so long.

Getting an A doesn't mean Richards is or has to be any less of a leader than Timonen. It's simply hierarchy, you don't give the C to your least tenured leader. It doesn't change who Richards is or how he plays and it disrespects him in no way. I think what a lot of people taking as modesty from his comments were more like honesty. He knows that there are more deserving players of the C at this point.

It will be either Richards or Timmo.

This post makes much more sense than any other one i've read in this thread.

And I know i should just let go of this, but gagne said awhile back that he wasn't ready, then, i think at the end of season before last, he said he had learned a lot and felt more ready, though that was also before the flyers stole a few captains from other teams.

i've never seen Gags as a real leader. he's a great player and one of my favorites, but i never heard anyone say that he's a leader. i have heard they offered him the C in the past and he turned it down. i wonder if it's also because he's still a bit hesitant with english and couldn't fully communicate with the whole team.

c - timonen
a - richards
a - gagne

KIMMO! KIMMO! KIMMO!

richie is a good option too

Timonen should be the Captain and I think the Alternate Captains should be Gagne and Richards. Since Smith is gone, he doesn't count anymore .

This is a no brainer...RICHARDS!! It's his team and his time to lead them to the holy grail which has eluded our beloved Flyers for far to long.
2009: The commish hands Mike Richards the Captain of the Stanley Cup Champion Philadelphia Flyers Lord Stanleys Cup!! I can deam can't I?

Thanks.

I also don't understand why people dismiss Richie's "I'm not ready" statement as modest and respectful to the current captain, but take Gagne's old "I'm not ready" comment at face value even though it was almost the exact same situation. Seems like a double standard.

C - Kimmo
A - Richie
A - Hartnell

I thought about Hartnell, but I think he enjoys not having the added pressure of the letter. It's just a feeling I have obviously, but I think he likes the role of doing whatever he wants vocally and leader-wise but not having to worry about the details of wearing a C or an A.

That's just sick.

Hartnell have enough to think about already. We don't want to put pressure on him right..

Timmo will be the Captian...

Because he doesn't have that x-factor. It's hard to put into words, but leaders have certain qualities that inspire other players. They usually tend to be guys who always bust their butts, no matter how little or much they are producing in the stats sheet.

I don't think Gagne does that. He floats from time to time. Disappears. Looks soft.

Give me a guy who will only score 5 goals a year, but hustle like there is no tomorrow over your "best player" as a captain. For example

I'm pretty sure Gagne was approached for the C position before he was our best player (i.e. before the 05-06 season). And I don't think the argument for him as a Alternate is because he's good; he's been seen as a leader here since Desjardins was playing. Also, you could fill in anyone's name here:

"They usually tend to be guys who always bust their butts, no matter how little or much they are producing in the stats sheet.

I don't think __________ does that. He floats from time to time. Disappears. Looks soft."

There were times this past season when even the great Richards disappeared.

you're gonna get banned if you keep talking about richards like that

Everyone does from time to time. Safer bet is to pick the guy who busts his but 9 times out of 10.

I know. I thought long and hard before I hit add reply.


To be honest (and I know it's your opinion and you're entitled to it so don't even argue that), I think your criticism of Gagne floating is unfounded. He was probably our best 2-way player during the 05-06 and 06-07 seasons.

C - Kimmo
A - Richie
A - Knuble
Unless Hatcher comes back, I'd make him Captain and swap Knuble out for Kimmo as the other A.

completely agree. especially after forsberg left, he was really noticable

First off whats the deal with hatch (in or out). But anyway list as follows

C-Kimmo
A-Briere
A-Richards

the only letters on brieres jersey should be b-r-i-e-r-e

Gagne hasn't been the same two-way player since Hitchcock left. I'll take the old Gagne who scored 40 points but played tremendous two-way hockey.

Knuble! That's the one I couldn't think of. Completely agreed.

Agree 100%

Are you kidding? Gagne was +2 in 06-07. Of players that played the entire season with the Flyers, he led the team in that category (Kukkonen and Upshall were higher at +4 and +3 but played few games here). He also led the team in takeaways with 61, second place was Richards with 47. All while scoring 47 and 41 goals and 79 and 68 points. This is why I question your judgment on some of these issues. You seem to make up (or possibly it's your memory) scenarios that never existed.

Lets sign Johnny LeClair to suit up 2 minutes a game and wear the "C"

Richards doesn't want it, Hatch is hurt and I think there will be conflict between he and Homer/Stevens this season.

C-Kimmo
A-Gagne
A-Knuble

does anyone know when we will find out?

Wasn't it like, Oct 1st or something last year?

I don't agree, Briere is a true leader and he's also a classy guy. Even if he had bad year in the +- departement.
HE was our powerplay and he beat the caps almost by himself. He should get the A with Kimmo. Richards is our captain while Gagne is shaking his head.
All due respect to Gagne, a guy I adore and loves to see play, he isn't a leader off the ice and doesn't express well in English. Even if I want him back to
his HEALTHY scoring performances.

Briere disappears way too much to be considered for the C.

C as in "yet to be C:en"?

I wouldn't give Briere the 'C' but not because of that. Scoring goals and assists doesn't make anyone a captain. Heck I didn't even notice Smith for a good portion of the season. Heck some people even said Kappy should be captain last season and he is just as invisible as Briere.

As far as the qualities that make a good captain Briere would be a decent one. We have better options but he wouldn't be a bad one. Heck if we made him Captain maybe he would take on the challenge even more and step his game up to the level that he was on during that career year in Buffalo.

there is no doubt its CARTS WE TALK ABOUT!

Briere shouldn't get the "C" but for different reasons. They're many players who are considered leaders on the team ahead of Danny.

Kimmo, Richy, Hartnell, Knuble... I think Kimmo should get it. Richy will get it in 5 years. I think the "A"s are distributed out to players, with the intention of trying to give potential leadership abilites to that player. The "A" I think is more of an apprentice role. Learn how to be a leader, on and off the ice and gain insight from your captian and coaching staff.
Gagne was given the role for that reason. I don't think he's ready to be a team captian. I wouldn't strip him of the "A" tho. Danny should only get it if it's a rotating "A" Hartnell doesn't need any extra pressure, and I think if Knuble is ever given the "A" it will be a rotating one aswell. Hatch is a leader for sure, but he's at the end of his career and the team doesn't want to end up naming a 4th Captian in 4 years. They're going to look at a long term leader.. Kimmo then Richy.