I personally would love to get rid of randy jones. I never was a fan of him. I never really saw him as a puck moving defenseman. He usually bobbled the puck alot. I personally would love this as our D pairing: Coburn n Kimo then Sbisa n Carle and then Vaananen n Parent. I think we would be more effective in that regard. We could get rid of jones and his overpaid 2.5 mil contract

I don't see a problem with this other than the fact that we need a big guy who can hit back there.

I've never really been much into Jones, either. I thought he showed some good moments last year, but then again, who wouldn't with what we did?

And as you mention, that contract doesn't help much.

EDIT: Great avatar, Kline. Always love to see some Floyd fans!

I think Jones is expendable now that we have Carle. I think they should deal him and try to get a 2nd pairing shutdown defenseman.

i agree. Our defense played well last game and I think its only gonna get better. I just hope the team gets out of this funk. I loved how carle and sbisa played together. Looked very good

Would maybe getting rid of Jones, Albert and maybe send Kukk down to the Phantoms, would that maybe give Syvret a chance to be a 7th D-Man? Or do we probably need some big hitter?
Also, if we were to get rid of those 3, the Flyers could probably afford Shanahan (maybe).

Timonen-Coburn
Carle-Sbisa
Vanaanen-Parent
Syvret (7th D-man)

That could free up some space, but we might need some huge hitters. Even though Sbisa and Vanaanen can hit well, they don't have the lumbering and heavy presence like Hatcher or Chara.

We found a taker for Eminger, we can surely find a taker for Jones. He had decent offensive numbers last year.

Enough of these pawn moves though. Lets go for the gusto and make a serious trade.

I have the perfect trade proposal!

Randy Jones for Steve Downie. Get it done, Homer!

That's the missing piece of the puzzle for sure

Is there someone like Hatcher that is big, strong, physical, not out of place and is most a stay-at-home D-man around the league that hasn't been signed or has been possibly looked at (as in he's on a team already)? Trade Jones for someone like that?

Just a thought.

Or give Hatcher a new knee!!!

If only he was like LEGOs, where you can just swap out the broken blocks for new ones haha.

Oh that would be nice! But seriously, I can't really think of a Hatcher-type defenseman. Denis Gauthier ???

To be honest, I actually did like Gauthier, but I think when Stevens came into the picture, he has no room on the Flyers roster at all. He usually wasn't that reckless, loves the game and can land some of the biggest checks you will see. I don't think the Bolts are gonna trade off Malik are they?

Maybe a good right-handed, stay-at-home defenseman? We have no right-handed defensemen since we traded Eminger (good riddance).

Briere and Jones for Bowmeester or Weber

Randy Jones is the least of this team's problems. The guy's not even playing and some people are still complaining. Your complaints go back to two or three years ago. Jones has done nothing but improve every year and apparently the Flyers GM thinks so too. I'm glad he's here and I hope they keep him.

The problem with that is, I feel that both Bowmeester and Weber are more offensive-minded than defensive. We need a stay-at-home defenseman. Someone that will check anyone at the blue-line and someone that will block any shots and will clear the porch of the goalie if need be. Not someone who be part of the offensive rush into the opponent's zone. This is what I feel anyways.

Your right, thats exactly what we need.

Yes we do, and now answer this, who around is like that kind of defenseman (whether it be a team to trade the person or who hasn't even been signed anywhere)?

I wonder if Ottawa would take Briere (if he agreed) or Lupul and a pick/prospect for Phillips?

I would rather take the A-Train instead of Phillips, but to trade either of them might be much. Maybe Alberts and Kane/Powe and a draft-pick for the A-Train?

Who is the A-train ?

Anton Volchenkov (pardon my spelling if it is wrong).

Robyn Regehr! Again, it would cost Knuble or Lupul + to clear the cap room. You have to give quality for quality.

I personally have not watched How Regehr works, but how does he work? How does he play the game as a defenseman? More than likely though, I would have to say it would Lupul to go over Knuble. Knuble is pretty good on both ends and plays on both the PP and PK. He is a left-shot though. (Didn't know he was born in Brazil).

Maybe Philippe Boucher or Gauthier or Malik or Shane O'Brien or Richardson or Salo? I could name a few more maybe.

He's a better defenseman than Anton Volchenkov and all those defenseman you named. He is the best shutdown defenseman in the nhl. Any Flames fan will tell you they don't wanna trade him. Darryl Sutter is absolutely in love with the guy. As an oiler fan it would be nice to see him gone though. He really beats up the oilers players.

He was born in Brazil but he's canadian.

Hopefully he's not one of those players that will stay with the whole team his career (no offense Richards and Brodeur), because with someone like this, the wealth of his skill should be spread to other teams. More than likely though, how they are a better team than us (when it comes to points that is, and maybe also goaltending), they might not get rid of him, unless we give something in return as much as JBo or something. It would be really nice to have him though. Anyone got vids of his checks? Sorry, I like to know how physical someone is.

If you like Arron Downey don't watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pjLPtPuWZI...feature=related

Hemsky hit(boarding but it just shows how tough this guy is to play against)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esZi79o_OyI

For overall toughness like this and a smart stay-at-home player, the Flyers would have to give a good bit eh? Maybe Alberts/Kukk and Lupul and a draft pick?

a lot more. The guy has offensive upside.

Regehr is a big part of their team and I do not think they wil trade him especially since his salary is such a bargain. But a guy can dream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rSOPENOjY&NR=1

Do you think there is anyone second to him?

The Flyers likely have two serious trade options:

1. A star forward and a draft pick/ third liner to a good team that is deep on D and needs more scoring

2. A key prospect plus a draft pick/ third liner to a bad team that wants to unload a high-end, expensive D-man

It's nice to say"How about Kukks and Alberts for Chris Pronger?" but it ain't gonna happen.

To be honest, I think I would rather have Regehr or Volchenkov over Pronger. Pronger will be WAYYY too much.

I love it!

Agreed. Jones improved a lot over last season and he was solid at the end of last season and through the playoffs. I think that when Parent comes back from injury they should try to put him with Timonen and maybe try Coburn with Carle. We all saw how much Coburn improved playing with Timonen and I think Parent can become a good shutdown Dman this year.

+1

for all downie lovers:

he needs a new start somewhere that isn't philly.

stevens never liked him. its that simple. he played well in the pre-season, then went back to the same downie getting penalties that royaly screwed us time and time again.
im fully aware its hard to say a player you like messes up, but i can think of at least 3 games downie got stupid penalties in that resulted in goals against us.

the fresh start will be good for him

I'd rather have our 2nd round pick back instead.


Bouwmeester and Weber are two way defenseman. Although Bouwmeester's offense hasn't really developed as I thought it would. Bouwmeester is not Hatcher, but he is more physical than most of our dman. He also is a good shot blocker. Weber is very physical, but he doesn't block a ton of shots.

Wouldn't Regehr and Volchenkov be cheaper than JBo and maybe Weber?

Volchenkov would be a sweet pickup

Cheaper in terms of prospects? Yeah, a bit. Weber is virtually untouchable and it would take a huge overpayment to get him. Jaybo is an impending UFA with no playoff experience so I am not sure how much he will go for at the deadline. I imagine something like Lupul + Jones + 1st + 3rd may get it done.

I was just trying to give an example of a completely unrealistic option. I read a lot of posts like "We should trade [2 benchwarmers] to [team X] for [coveted star]. Why won't Homer do that?"

Maybe Gratton, Powe and Kane and SJ 3rd Round pick for someone?

In terms of being a pure shutdown dman probably only pronger can match him. The guy can skate as well.

I don't really know what you mean by anyone being second to him. I think Regehr would cost more than Jay Bouwmeester. Jay Bouwmeester is(and I'm not gonna beat around the bush) not having a very good year. The guy is really overrated and is not playing like the 1st overall pick that Central Scouting had him ranked as.

I've said it before and I stand by it. Robyn Regehr probably has the best contract in the nhl. Other than maybe Ales Hemsky. That guy is signed for 3 more years at 4 million.

Hearing rumours Brian Burke trying to move Chris Pronger. Would love to see Pronger play for the Flyers.

Defence if we have Pronger:

Timonoen - Pronger
Coburn - Carle
Sbisa - Parent
Ossi

that would be great but theres no way for us to take on his 6.250 mil a year deal. also they want to get rid of salary so they can sign mat sundin so if it happen some how we would have to bring a third team in to dump the salary of players so we can be under cap. i think we would have to give up to much to get him. it would hurt our team to much.

Jones and Alberts are expendable and they'd free up about $4M of cap space.

Pronger's salary is too big for us.

That doesn't make a lot of sense. If they trade pronger that franchise is going down the toilet. The ducks have 14 ufas next year and of their top 6 dmen only Chris Pronger is under contract for next year. It just doesn't make any sense.

I would think with the addition of Carle that they must be maxed out at cap space (or very near) so there will likely have to be some roster moves to bring back Jones. They won't be able to move him without some playing time this year, so who knows what they'll do. With the long injury, I can't see him been traded this year.