While the Flyers continue to wait for news from free agent winger Brendan Shanahan, they made a more critical move to strengthen their ailing defense, sending Steve Downie and Steve Eminger to Tampa Bay for 24-year-old defenseman Matt Carle.
According to a team source, the deal was made late Friday afternoon, and Carle is expected to be in uniform against his former team Saturday night. Carle, 6-foot, 210 pounds, was voted to the 2006-07 NHL all-rookie team while playing for San Jose. That season, he scored 11 goals and 31 assists. He was traded to Tampa Bay last season for Dan Boyle and Brad Lukowich.

Defensemen Ryan Parent (shoulder) and Randy Jones (hip) are sidelined with serious injuries.

Wow. I am completely shocked that we got Carle. I never even considered him as a possibility but I think a Downie and Eminger is a good package in the sense that it doesn't really affect the core of the team too much (but my perspective may be skewed because I always had a hunch that Downie would be traded.) I need to think more about whether or not I'm happy with getting Carle, though.

This is exciting! Carle is a very good young defender but FlyersGirl what is his contract situation currently?

It is nice to see they are doing something to try to help the team. I am very anxious to see how this pans out.

I had a feeling when they pulled Raduns and Kane up for last nights game...I really hope Downie gets a fair chance at playing in Tampa Bay...

carle is a fantastic young defenseman with a lot of potential. i'm thrilled that i will be able to like him again now that he's in philly and not tampa.

If I understand the contract limit situation, this should free up 1 contract in case we go for shanny

His cap hit is for 3.48 mil until 2011/2012

Carle is signed at a cap hit of $3.438 mil and becomes a UFA in 12/13.

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Yup.

Right now I'm not a big fan of this deal. Carle has played pretty poorly since San Jose signed him to that big contract. He is not worth the cap hit so that's yet another overpaid player to add to our roster. I am not even sure how he fits under the cap at the moment. I also would have preferred a dman with vet experience over Carle.

On the other hand, he's young, with a lot of upside and he could easily still blossom with us.

I'll miss Downie though I was a huge fan of his.

THIS .......................IS..........................HORRIBLE!

Yeah, Carle only has 1 or 2 points all season, right?

The Flyers also received the Sharks' 3rd round pick in this deal and sent TB back their 4th.

can you tell us what he will bring to the team, type of play?


that is a pretty big cap hit, idk know how hes going to fit under the cap....

ugh. i am not entirely happy about this. i understand that carle is good, but i was a huge downie fan. eminger i could really care less about. i just hope homer signs shanny now.

+1 for the 12 games with the lightning tho and they have been pretty dreadful, maybe this change of place will bring out hes rookie year preformance.

That sweetens it a little bit.

On the positive side, Carle is a +1 on a team that is middle of the pack in GA but the worst in the league in GF.


Oops. I didn't see your post when I was writing mine. Sorry for stealing your content.

w0w....

how so? you give up a young penalty prone player that wasnt even on your current NHL roster, and a d man that clearly cant compete at this level for a guy that is young, and has proven hes an NHL caliber defender. Although the cap hit is pretty high, im in favor of this deal

http://www.hobeybaker.com/history/pastwinn...tml?staff_id=29

Who was Carle paired with in the back end for Tampa? I understand he had a great rookie season...hopefully he will contribute some consistancy to the Flyers...He is also a lefty shot, correct?

I wonder where Downie will end up...Eminger is already listed on the roster for the lightning, but right now it doesn't say if he will play for the admirals or another team...

I think this puts us over the cap. So, I'm going to guess this is the first in a series of moves. Maybe I'm being too presumptive here but I'm going to keep looking for that next big move that lands us a goalie and then we sign Shanny.

Not sure but I would guess he was with either Meszaros or Ranger. He is a lefty.

Well Matt Carle was amazing before his huge contract, but he has alot of upside. Hes a more offensivly talented coburn in my eyes. Lets face it our defence is horrid right now and Carle will help it out. Like when Parent and Jones get back we got Kimmo,Coby,Carle,Alberts,Vannanan,Sbisa,Jones, and Parent.. so our defence is better. Downie is a sad sight to go but in the eyes of Homer and Stevens he didnt fit the Flyers system. When he gets a chance he will be very good, not Mike Richards good, but a 50 point guy.

would that mean us trading someone like knuble or dumping biron's contract?

I'm glad Eminger is gone, I could not stand him. Seriously, he's been awful. Sucks to see Downie go I guess. Though I wasn't as big a fan of his as some others, it won't be fun playing against him if he turns into a real player. He should at least have fun playing under Melrose.

I think Carlye is a good player. certainly an upgrade over Eminger.

I guess it depends on the trade partner. Ideally, it'd be nice to trade Knuble (don't get me wrong, I love Knuble) and Biron but I wouldn't be surprised to see any forward not named Richards, Gagne, or Carter be traded.

imo, carle was dramatically stunted under ron wilson in sj. i hope it isn't irreversible. i think he would have thrived here under mclellan (much like we're seeing ehrhoff come to life now), but sj wanted a sure thing in boyle at the time, so off he went.

he's a solid defenseman, albeit young, and he has a heck of a shot. he's definitely going to be on your powerplay. he makes occasional gaffes, but he'll grow out of it. i wouldn't worry too much about his lack of production with the bolts... he may even start out a little slow with philly until he gets accustomed to his surroundings, but i think eventually he'll be one of your best. he's got the potential to be an all-star puck-moving defenseman. he just needs a coach who won't put a leash on him. he needs to have some offensive freedom and not be scolded like a little puppy a la ron wilson.

some have suggested that he has an attitude problem and that's why wilson rubbed him the wrong way, but i don't think so. wilson rubbed a lot of sharks the wrong way (insert tail to head joke here).

Who is going to be traded tonight or tomorrow? The flyers are above the cap...

Thank you for the info. You had me sold at "solid defenseman."

As long as his name isn't Kukkonen or Downie, I don't think he has to worry too much about having a leash put on him.

Purely from a financial perspective, my list would be: Briere, Hartnell, Knuble, or Lupul

i got goose bumps just reading that defensive lineup. once we get all our guys back, our defense should be sick. cant wait for it to happen. now...make sure we give them time to gel before jumping all over this kid, and when our other guys come back, give them some time too.

They are in the office right now sharpening the blade


I can't help but feel this could be the reason for thier lackluster play. Who want's to give 110% to a team that might axe them the next day? Not saying that would be right, Just my .02

We play Tampa tomorrow, this should be interesting, lol.

Are Biron and Knuble going to Montreal for Havelak?

If Downie going means he'll get a fair opportunity to play AND we get to unload eminger then I'm all for it...Eminger looks just as crappy on paper as he did against the Sens last night...they have his and Downies stat breakdowns on their website...eminger is a career -44 in the plus minus column in just over 5 years....
http://lightning.nhl.com/team/app/?service...rticleid=391138

I'm actually excited for Downie and I think, given the chance he could be an upshall caliber agitator....

I didn't realize that this put us over the cap. Interesting to say the least. Lupul? Knuble? Upshall? That's my list of the likely to move players.

chop chop...lol...hey...check your PM. i need the info for the hotel again. thanks.

hey...BTW...does anyone else seem to see this as just another added chapter in this game on saturday? i cant wait for cote vs roy rd 3...kick his arse cote!!!

I hit the wrong button, but to add to my conspiracy theory . . .Marty left the facility 3 hrs. after practice got over, one of the last to leave, do you think they were talking to him about a potential trade???

Well if they want to shake up the team and send a message Lupul would be the one to move.

Yeah, tomorrow should be interesting. Downie should be able to jump in the Lightening lineup right away and I'm sure he'll be looking to take some heads off.

Something is going down in china town..

Mark my words, losing Downie WILL come back to bite us

The only good is that we lose Eminger

Lupul, Albets, and Biron plus a pick for Andrei Markov and Halak? I would do that in a heart beat, but no way can I see it happening.

I think you combined two goalies there. Halak is in Montreal. Pavelec is in Atlanta. It would be awesome, though, if they could combine into one supergoalie.

I don't really know if Homer's worked on any trades with Montreal or what the relationship is there or if MTL would be willing to trade with us, since we'd be a threat in the playoffs. I think it's most likely we'll see a deal for Pavelec because he'll cost us the least. The people on this board have really sold me on Schneider, though, and Vancouver could definitely use a little more offensive depth.

Andre Roy is now in Calgary big fella, no rematch tomorrow night

Many of you say losing Downie will hurt us, but thats only if he gets a serious shot at it. I've seen his skill in junior hes got hands and offensive awareness. When his heads in it he can dominate. We shall see, but if Carle regians his rookie performance then the Flyers pulled another Coby trade.

Right, right, Halak. Where are those stick people running around going OMG!