FlyersFanTN
Nov 3 2008, 02:47 PM
philly fan 27
Nov 3 2008, 02:55 PM
awesome. shanny is one of those guys you have to respect no matter where he plays. id love to have him in philly, but im pretty sure someone has to get shipped to do it
Crosscheck42
Nov 3 2008, 02:56 PM
Oh god no...
The only thing I can think of is that he'd be vocal enough to get into players' faces when they're not hustling. They seem to need someone in the locker room to do that, because Stevens can't.
philly fan 27
Nov 3 2008, 02:58 PM
QUOTE (Crosscheck42 @ Nov 3 2008, 02:56 PM)

Oh god no...
The only thing I can think of is that he'd be vocal enough to get into players' faces when they're not hustling. They seem to need someone in the locker room to do that, because Stevens can't.
stevens is the coach, shouldnt it be "because richards/hartnell/gagne/whoever can't"
Flyershooligan
Nov 3 2008, 03:11 PM
dont you dare do this to me paul
Crosscheck42
Nov 3 2008, 03:12 PM
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Nov 3 2008, 02:58 PM)

stevens is the coach, shouldnt it be "because richards/hartnell/gagne/whoever can't"
Well, they picked those players knowing they weren't rah-rah locker room guys. Someone has to take up that slack. I think that's the coach's job. They knew Hatch wasn't going to play until the playoffs if at all, and I don't see anyone else in the locker room in that mold. They're more "lead by example" guys.
I have no idea how they'd afford Shanny anyway. Adding another 20 goal scorer couldn't hurt, I guess. And, it does seem like most of the recent teams that made deep cup runs have a grizzled veteran on the roster. The Pens had Roberts and the Wings had Draper and McCarty, for example.
Broad St. Bully
Nov 3 2008, 03:26 PM
Shanahan isn't coming to Philly...not now not ever. However I would be disappointed if Homer didn't at least talk to him. A good GM should never shut the door on anything before checking to see what's knockin'.
Flyershooligan
Nov 3 2008, 03:30 PM
QUOTE (Broad St. Bully @ Nov 3 2008, 03:26 PM)

Shanahan isn't coming to Philly...not now not ever. However I would be disappointed if Homer didn't at least talk to him. A good GM should never shut the door on anything before checking to see what's knockin'.
well, thats why they are meeting today
Kappy
Nov 3 2008, 03:32 PM
Don't waste your time, Homer.
FlyerGuy
Nov 3 2008, 03:35 PM
QUOTE (Broad St. Bully @ Nov 3 2008, 02:26 PM)

Shanahan isn't coming to Philly...not now not ever. However I would be disappointed if Homer didn't at least talk to him. A good GM should never shut the door on anything before checking to see what's knockin'.
I wouldn't say never. Philly or Jersey are his two top choices other than the Rangers. I wouldn't think he'd be looking for a big paycheck, so you never know. If the price was 2mil or less, I'd do it. Seeing Knuble is a UFA next year, we could replace him now with Shanny. Trade Knuble for an asset to use possibly at the trade deadline.
natty99
Nov 3 2008, 03:43 PM
this Shanahan guy better be some top defenseman or goalie...
hesh
Nov 3 2008, 03:43 PM
IMO it's worth it. The guy is as great a leader as there is in hockey. He's been through it all. What the flyers need right now is more veteran presence. Although in the long term this doesn't meet any of their needs he's gonna help big time.
Knuble/Upshall for a defenseman.
propp16
Nov 3 2008, 03:46 PM
This could be worthwhile. I am still hearing rumors that we're looking for a goalie. So, maybe we move a forward or two with big contracts, sign Shanny and pickup a goalie. I'd be content with that -- if it was the right goalie and we didn't lose Richards, Carter, or Gagne.
FlyersGirl
Nov 3 2008, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (hesh @ Nov 3 2008, 03:43 PM)

IMO it's worth it. The guy is as great a leader as there is in hockey. He's been through it all. What the flyers need right now is more veteran presence. Although in the long term this doesn't meet any of their needs he's gonna help big time.
Knuble/Upshall for a defenseman.
I completely agree. I think it is a good thing to add a gritty veteran to the team as long as they don't lose anyone important to fit him in.
Dave
Nov 3 2008, 03:54 PM
I like Shanahan. He's been there and done it. Experience wise, I don't think you could get anyone better who's a free agent, that could be a bonus but it's not more offense we need.
Flyershooligan
Nov 3 2008, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (natty99 @ Nov 3 2008, 03:43 PM)

this Shanahan guy better be some top defenseman or goalie...

your kidding right?
natty99
Nov 3 2008, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (Flyershooligan @ Nov 3 2008, 04:04 PM)

your kidding right?
you obviously don't understand sarcasm.....
Dave
Nov 3 2008, 04:17 PM
If Shanahan doesn't want to leave New York as John Davidson may suggest, then he doesn't leave himself with many options to be honest.
phillyfan08
Nov 3 2008, 04:20 PM
wouldnt mind the signing but we dont need more offense and unless we moved a few players we couldnt sign him becuase of the contract limit and the cap. i agree with the veteran presence tho. trade away knuble and maybe hartnell or lupul for a goalie prospect or dman and then sign shanny. wouldnt mind him tho, works hard and thats what this team lacks sometimes in the loses that ive seen, being out worked along the boards and neutral zone
ibanez
Nov 3 2008, 04:21 PM
DO NOT WANT..
FiveHoleFrankie
Nov 3 2008, 04:22 PM
We're a few years too late i'm afraid. I wouldn't welcome him because it's not what we need right now and there is no need to mortgage new players for an old guy who "might" get things stirred up in the locker room.
RyGuy#44
Nov 3 2008, 04:52 PM
i disagree we could use Shanahan on the third or 4th line instead of Metroploit or even Asham.... but thats just my opnion
Crosscheck42
Nov 3 2008, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (RyGuy#44 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:52 PM)

i disagree we could use Shanahan on the third or 4th line instead of Metroploit or even Asham.... but thats just my opnion
Shanny made more than $5m last year.
Certainly, I don't think he'll command that much this year, but it should still be enough of a cap hit that it would be way too expensive to spend that much on a 3rd or 4th line player.
I could see him coming in just to play on the PP in the days before the salary cap. But not anymore.
mchrissy77
Nov 3 2008, 05:02 PM
I'm not surprised, a lot of teams will be speaking with him and the Blues have been courting him in the press for 3 months now. I don't see him being a good fit with us, but it's always wise to look at all your options.
RyGuy#44
Nov 3 2008, 05:04 PM
i still think that we could bring his salary down to 1.5-2 mill a year and spend the rest of the cap on him and use him... trade a few guys for some picks possibly????
FlyersFanTN
Nov 3 2008, 05:04 PM
If homer did sign Shanny, it would be for the Vet minimum.
Flyerfan52
Nov 3 2008, 05:09 PM
QUOTE (mchrissy77 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:02 PM)

I'm not surprised, a lot of teams will be speaking with him and the Blues have been courting him in the press for 3 months now. I don't see him being a good fit with us, but it's always wise to look at all your options.
I would have loved to have him 5 - 10 years ago. Even now, he could still help. Depending what he's asking for, I could see trading a couple of decent (not Richards or Carter) forwards for a good d-man (or Backstrom). Open a bit of cap & bring down the number we have signed. Because of his age, the contract would likely be short term leaving room for Giroux and/or JVR next year.
RyGuy#44
Nov 3 2008, 05:10 PM
QUOTE (Flyerfan52 @ Nov 3 2008, 06:09 PM)

I would have loved to have him 5 - 10 years ago. Even now, he could still help. Depending what he's asking for, I could see trading a couple of decent (not Richards or Carter) forwards for a good d-man (or Backstrom). Open a bit of cap & bring down the number we have signed. Because of his age, the contract would likely be short term leaving room for Giroux and/or JVR next year.
and now i completely agree with you
goflyers412
Nov 3 2008, 05:20 PM
Defense?
Flyerfan52
Nov 3 2008, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (RyGuy#44 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:10 PM)

and now i completely agree with you
I hope we both mean Backstrom from Minny. Though I wouldn't mind prying the other out of Washington either.
slapshot
Nov 3 2008, 05:28 PM
Will he consider coaching? Get rid of Stevens and let Shanny coach. I'm sure he'll do better than Stevens.
RyGuy#44
Nov 3 2008, 05:37 PM
QUOTE (Flyerfan52 @ Nov 3 2008, 06:23 PM)

I hope we both mean Backstrom from Minny. Though I wouldn't mind prying the other out of Washington either.
me either lol
FlyerGuy
Nov 3 2008, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (Flyerfan52 @ Nov 3 2008, 04:09 PM)

I would have loved to have him 5 - 10 years ago. Even now, he could still help. Depending what he's asking for, I could see trading a couple of decent (not Richards or Carter) forwards for a good d-man (or Backstrom). Open a bit of cap & bring down the number we have signed. Because of his age, the contract would likely be short term leaving room for Giroux and/or JVR next year.
Yes. Knuble is a UFA next year. Trade him now for a draft pick. Replace him with Shanny. Use the pick + Lupul + Jones + Nodl to trade for Jay B.
Number16
Nov 3 2008, 06:56 PM
I don't think we need Shanahan. Scoring goals is not a problem the Flyers lead the league with 43. I don't think the on ice leadership is a problem either Richards is doing a good job and we have former captains on the roster. Keeping goals out of the net is the problem.
LVFlyersfan12
Nov 3 2008, 07:15 PM
we dont need more offense..
Shanahan is great dont get me wrong but not what we need.
we need a D-man or maybe a goalie
plus knuble has been pretty good this year i dont see the need to get rid of him
MarkC
Nov 3 2008, 07:27 PM
What i'd love to see:
Sign Shanny for the veteran minimum.
Trade Kukkonen, Eminger and Asham, maybe a draft pick for a nice veteran D-man.
Could be some sick lines, even though we're scoring alot of goals now.
Gagne- Metro (Briere when Healthy) - Knuble
Lupul - Richards- Hartnell
Shanny - Carter - Upshall
mmmm....sexy time
richards for captain
Nov 3 2008, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (LVFlyersfan12 @ Nov 3 2008, 07:15 PM)

we dont need more offense..
Shanahan is great dont get me wrong but not what we need.
we need a D-man or maybe a goalie
plus knuble has been pretty good this year i dont see the need to get rid of him
Exactly why we should get shann, I look at it this way, He would be a GREAT pick up. You get a player with grit and a lot of veteran exp. It also forces you to deal some offense away to make room for him I.E. Knubs, Lupul, Upshall, Asham, Metropolit. Either of them and we can deal some of them for a D man.
KFT15
Nov 3 2008, 07:56 PM
What's up with everybody wanting to trade Knuble so badly? I think he's one of our more reliable players at the moment. If we trade anyone, I'd personally want it to be Lupul...
Phifly10
Nov 3 2008, 08:26 PM
QUOTE (MarkC @ Nov 3 2008, 07:27 PM)

What i'd love to see:
Sign Shanny for the veteran minimum.
Trade Kukkonen, Eminger and Asham, maybe a draft pick for a nice veteran D-man.
Could be some sick lines, even though we're scoring alot of goals now.
Gagne- Metro (Briere when Healthy) - Knuble
Lupul - Richards- Hartnell
Shanny - Carter - Upshall
mmmm....sexy time
why would anyone trade a reliable veteran defenseman for slop like kukkonen, eminger and asham
gagsfan93
Nov 3 2008, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (Phifly10 @ Nov 3 2008, 08:26 PM)

why would anyone trade a reliable veteran defenseman for slop like kukkonen, eminger and asham
seriously lol, that looks like an nhl 09 trade
FlyersGirl
Nov 3 2008, 08:39 PM
QUOTE
Paul Holmgren isn’t happy with the defensive play of his forwards. So much so that the Flyers’ general manager met Monday afternoon with free agent left wing Brendan Shanahan.
“Brendan wants to play, so we sat down and chatted about the possibilities,” Holmgren told CSNPhilly.com. “We would have to jump through some hoops to get a deal done because of the cap, but we could do something.”
The Flyers are top-heavy with forwards, and they are about $700,000 under the NHL’s $56.7 million salary cap. They would have to lose salary. Other sources say the 39-year-old Shanahan might be willing to play for less than $1 million given so many clubs are strapped by the salary cap right now.
QUOTE
Curran told CSNPhilly.com that the meeting in Holmgren's office was "very productive" for both sides, and it also included coach John Stevens.
"There's mutual interest," Curran said. "It was real good meeting for all of us. Brendan finds himself now that he won't be playing for the New York Rangers this year and he has to consider all his options. He's going to meet with his family to discuss this. We'll see where it goes from there."
Curran said the decision process won't be very long.
QUOTE
Holmgren said there was no immediate timetable, but he got the impression Shanahan is “not a long way’s off,” from returning to the NHL. The St. Louis Blues are also reportedly interested in Shanahan.
Link
Flyerfan52
Nov 3 2008, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (Phifly10 @ Nov 3 2008, 07:26 PM)

why would anyone trade a reliable veteran defenseman for slop like kukkonen, eminger and asham
A grade "A" defense man would probably cost us some combination of Knuble, Upshaw, Lupul or Giroux. We'd have to give up 2 players to take 1 back & add Shanny to make up for the lost production. The other option would be any 1 of Gagne, Richards or Carter since Briere has the NM. Those 3 I don't want to lose.
United
Nov 3 2008, 09:41 PM
QUOTE (Flyerfan52 @ Nov 3 2008, 10:19 PM)

A grade "A" defense man would probably cost us some combination of Knuble, Upshaw, Lupul or Giroux. We'd have to give up 2 players to take 1 back & add Shanny to make up for the lost production. The other option would be any 1 of Gagne, Richards or Carter since Briere has the NM. Those 3 I don't want to lose.
NO to trading those 3.
I wouldn't mind having Shanahan on the team, he could replace Knuble or something.
szilhockey25
Nov 3 2008, 10:19 PM
This would be great I wanted him on July 1st and hope it happens now.. if not oh well and just keep team the way it is. They're fine and jones should be back soon
Bernie1
Nov 3 2008, 10:46 PM
unless Shanny will sign for two years and we could trade Knuble and a pick for a top 2 defenseman, there's no reason to sign him really.
jefjd
Nov 3 2008, 10:49 PM
If he'll play for less than a mil than it is certainly worth considering. It seems to me that they would also need to have some sort of trade in the works though. The Flyers have too many players.
MarkC
Nov 3 2008, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (Phifly10 @ Nov 3 2008, 05:26 PM)

why would anyone trade a reliable veteran defenseman for slop like kukkonen, eminger and asham
I'm sure alot of teams would actually. Maybe he's an impending FA? Maybe they have a surplus of D-men? I'm not saying those 3 exactly, i'm just saying.
Gagne12
Nov 3 2008, 11:03 PM
I like Shanny, he brings leadership, hes a good vet on the team. HE WILL SIGN CHEAP, thats a huge +.
phantomflyer
Nov 3 2008, 11:13 PM
QUOTE (ibanez @ Nov 3 2008, 04:21 PM)

DO NOT WANT..
Ditto...We need Defense and Goaltending. Not a forward!
flyersflyersflyers24
Nov 4 2008, 12:39 AM
Why does everyone want to trade Knuble? I don't understand. He is the nit and grit player we need in front of the net and has been scoring goals because of it. If we loose him who will take his job getting the "dirty" goals?
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