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propp16
I was kind of surprised to see this since, for the first time all season, I feel a little better about our goaltending. However, I think grabbing a goalie like Pavelec or Halak is a move we need to make.
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Philadelphia GM Paul Holmgren is just about ready to go into full panic mode over the state of his shoddy goaltending. Sources say he has major concerns about Martin Biron and Antero Nittymaki, which has the club quietly shopping for a netminder. The name of Nikolai Khabibulin is bound to surface, but the Flyers can't afford the $6.75-million salary. Two other options are Atlanta prospect Ondrej Pavelec and Montreal backup Jaroslav Halak. Many in Chicago believe that Khabibulin shouldn't go anywhere, but sources say his stock has never been higher and Blackhawks GM Dale Tallon might want to strike while the iron is hot ... Teams shopping for blueliners: Philadelphia, Ottawa, Florida, Boston and St. Louis. The No. 1 target appears to Vancouver's Mattias Ohlund

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Dave
I'd be pretty happy with either Pavelec or Halak.
The Rifle27
I do not want Bulin's Salary.

I'll take Pavelec.

Question is who are we giving up?

Homer isn't stupid, so it won't be any of our top 5 fowards.
propp16
Does anybody know if there's been any recent trade history between the Flyers and Canadiens or what sort of relationships the two GMs have? Halak is getting more playing time in Montreal than I expected so I have to think they're showcasing him because they consider Price to be the next Patrick Roy.

I think Pavelec will cost us less in a trade.
The Rifle27
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 27 2008, 08:54 AM) *
Does anybody know if there's been any recent trade history between the Flyers and Canadiens or what sort of relationships the two GMs have? Halak is getting more playing time in Montreal than I expected so I have to think they're showcasing him because they consider Price to be the next Patrick Roy.

I think Pavelec will cost us less in a trade.


Exactly!
OrangeAndBlack
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 27 2008, 08:54 AM) *
I think Pavelec will cost us less in a trade.


We need the best goalie available. Now is not the time for caution.
GrkFlyersFan
If any of this is true, we'll get Halak, another backup who we think will break out here, but won't
propp16
QUOTE (OrangeAndBlack @ Oct 27 2008, 09:15 AM) *
We need the best goalie available. Now is not the time for caution.

Maybe Briere will waive his NMC to go to Montreal. That would be a pretty funny way for things to turn out... and maybe the best week ever for pat. wink.gif
OrangeAndBlack
QUOTE (GrkFlyersFan @ Oct 27 2008, 09:43 AM) *
If any of this is true, we'll get Halak, another backup who we think will break out here, but won't


Are you implying that the Flyers have had bad luck with goalies going back to Bernie Parent's eye injury? Are you actually suggesting that Pete Peeters, Rick St Croix, Bob Froese, Ron Hextall, Jeff Hacket, Sean Burke, Roman Chekmanek, Dominic Roussel, Robert Esche, Brian Boucher, Ken Wregget, John Van biesbrouck, Tommy Soderstrom, Marty Biron, Antero Nittimaki, and a million other goalies have failed miserably in their attempts to avoid yet another crushing disappointment between the pipes for our team going back to the late 1970s? That not one of them has lived up to the hype or been able to deliver when it counted the most?



DrinkFightFlyers
QUOTE (OrangeAndBlack @ Oct 27 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Are you implying that the Flyers have had bad luck with goalies going back to Bernie Parent's eye injury? Are you actually suggesting that Pete Peeters, Rick St Croix, Bob Froese, Ron Hextall, Jeff Hacket, Sean Burke, Roman Chekmanek, Dominic Roussel, Robert Esche, Brian Boucher, Ken Wregget, John Van biesbrouck, Tommy Soderstrom, Marty Biron, Antero Nittimaki, and a million other goalies have failed miserably in their attempts to avoid yet another crushing disappointment between the pipes for our team going back to the late 1970s? That not one of them has lived up to the hype or been able to deliver when it counted the most?


hextall was great!

besides that, i don't think going after either of these guys is a good idea at this point in time. pavelec hasn't even played in 10 nhl games so you don't want to panic and go after this guy like he will save the team. halak is not as inexperienced but he is no savior. i'm sure holmgren knows what he is doing but i don't want to see the flyers trade away a good player to get a dud goalie when we have two already.
NorthCoast-FlyersFan
I think it is too early to give up on Biron. For the most part, (underline and capitilize) Marty had a pretty good weekend after that 3rd goal Friday night. His little walk abouts I hope are over, if not the coaching staff need to jerk a knot in his butt. I don't think any team is going to give up a starting goal tender even 'Bulin. I think we'd give up too much for what we'd get. Biron played well in the playoffs last year so he is capable. I don't believe that all of the goals have been his fault, but man he has let in some ugly ones. Now if they Asham or Metropolit, or maybe Ross.... But I sure wouldn't give up Nodl or Powe.
kiddo
halak didnt look any better than our goaltenders have looked on saturday, he let in a good amount of goals early in the game and was replaced by an ill carey price. i wouldnt be happy with halak.
GrkFlyersFan
QUOTE (OrangeAndBlack @ Oct 27 2008, 09:12 AM) *
Are you implying that the Flyers have had bad luck with goalies going back to Bernie Parent's eye injury? Are you actually suggesting that Pete Peeters, Rick St Croix, Bob Froese, Ron Hextall, Jeff Hacket, Sean Burke, Roman Chekmanek, Dominic Roussel, Robert Esche, Brian Boucher, Ken Wregget, John Van biesbrouck, Tommy Soderstrom, Marty Biron, Antero Nittimaki, and a million other goalies have failed miserably in their attempts to avoid yet another crushing disappointment between the pipes for our team going back to the late 1970s? That not one of them has lived up to the hype or been able to deliver when it counted the most?


Yes
Dave44
QUOTE (OrangeAndBlack @ Oct 27 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Are you implying that the Flyers have had bad luck with goalies going back to Bernie Parent's eye injury? Are you actually suggesting that Pete Peeters, Rick St Croix, Bob Froese, Ron Hextall, Jeff Hacket, Sean Burke, Roman Chekmanek, Dominic Roussel, Robert Esche, Brian Boucher, Ken Wregget, John Van biesbrouck, Tommy Soderstrom, Marty Biron, Antero Nittimaki, and a million other goalies have failed miserably in their attempts to avoid yet another crushing disappointment between the pipes for our team going back to the late 1970s? That not one of them has lived up to the hype or been able to deliver when it counted the most?


I can't really tell if that was sarcasm or not, and I've only really payed attention to Nittymaki and Biron, so I say yes, they haven't. Biron played great in the play offs, but is still one of the most inconsistent goalies in the league, which is evident by the start to our season.
FlyersGirl
I still believe in Halak. One bad game doesn't mean he can't be a #1. Though another option they should look into is Cory Schneider. He is one of the top goalies in the AHL (along with Pavelec) and he is currently blocked by Luongo.
propp16
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Oct 27 2008, 01:20 PM) *
I still believe in Halak. One bad game doesn't mean he can't be a #1. Though another option they should look into is Cory Schneider. He is one of the top goalies in the AHL (along with Pavelec) and he is currently blocked by Luongo.

Vancouver would be a pretty good trade partner too since we don't play each other very often and they could always use a little extra help (though they're doing ok so far offensively this year, I think.)
pat
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 27 2008, 10:04 AM) *
Maybe Briere will waive his NMC to go to Montreal. That would be a pretty funny way for things to turn out... and maybe the best week ever for pat. wink.gif

Maybe not best week ever, but would certainly put a smile on my face.
Seriously, I don't think Briere would agree to go to Montreal and I'd rather see him go to a western conference team.
Dave
QUOTE (pat @ Oct 27 2008, 05:40 PM) *
Maybe not best week ever, but would certainly put a smile on my face.
Seriously, I don't think Briere would agree to go to Montreal and I'd rather see him go to a western conference team.


If he did go, I'd rather see him in the West, as well.
phillycanuck
QUOTE (The Rifle27 @ Oct 27 2008, 08:47 AM) *
I do not want Bulin's Salary.

I'll take Pavelec.

Question is who are we giving up?

Homer isn't stupid, so it won't be any of our top 5 fowards.

The Bulin Wall is UFA next year, so it would be a one time thing with salary, and I doubt he would get that much next year too...
dudebrah87
I'd be happy with any of them. In an ideal world I would like to see 'Bulin here.. I think that would be amazing, but I don't see it happening. We'll probably get Halak and some no namer in hopes that they'll blow up and they'll end up sucking ***.
Crosscheck42
QUOTE (phillycanuck @ Oct 27 2008, 02:34 PM) *
The Bulin Wall is UFA next year, so it would be a one time thing with salary, and I doubt he would get that much next year too...

Not only is he an UFA, he's also 35 years old. I don't think he's getting a long-term contract from anyone.
Kappy
QUOTE (Crosscheck42 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:10 PM) *
Not only is he an UFA, he's also 35 years old. I don't think he's getting a long-term contract from anyone.


Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's done in the NHL after this season.
propp16
QUOTE (Kappy @ Oct 27 2008, 03:13 PM) *
Wouldn't surprise me at all if he's done in the NHL after this season.

Me neither. I expect him to be playing in Russia next year.
erdrick
While some of the goals our guys let in this year were a questionable, most of them were due to extremely shoddy team defense. Andrew Alberts has been a turnover machine, worse than Hatcher. Let's see when they get some mobility back with Jones/Parent and sit Kukkonnen and Alberts. You can see a big difference in the last few games how much better they have been in the defensive end.
tina78
I think to wait it out a little more, because Marty just won two games in a row and he could be back to him old self. And Niitty, was having a tough time, but possibly could start winning.
I think nothing harsh should be done. I'd just wait some more time.
Flyersfan 18
I'd be fine with Pavelec or Halak. Just as long as Khabibulin never puts on a Flyers jersey.
Flyerfan52
Habby's best years are long gone. Pavelec ?. Halak is a maybe. I don't recall any big trades with Montreal since we traded Recchi for Desjardins and fluked into LeClair. Roloson is available if you want a stopgap.
GrkFlyersFan
I love 'bulin, as he's on my fantasy team, but I'm not convinced he's right for us. Halak, you know, it's like all the other solid backups we've ever tried. Biron's probably the best one we've ever tried, and even he isn't setting the world on fire. Pavelec is a roll of the dice, it'd be a huge gamble. He could be great, but he could be a bust. Is it worth the risk? You tell me
FlyersGirl
I don't know how you can pigeon hole Halak and say he's just a backup when he's only been in the league for such a short period of time. Pavelec is an unknown but we need a goalie of the future and he fulfills that need. That doesn't mean he's necessarily going to be handed the starting job right away because that's unlikely.
gagsfan93
Nah, lets bring up SCOTT MUNROE
five for fighting
QUOTE (OrangeAndBlack @ Oct 27 2008, 10:12 AM) *
Are you implying that the Flyers have had bad luck with goalies going back to Bernie Parent's eye injury? Are you actually suggesting that Pete Peeters, Rick St Croix, Bob Froese, Ron Hextall, Jeff Hacket, Sean Burke, Roman Chekmanek, Dominic Roussel, Robert Esche, Brian Boucher, Ken Wregget, John Van biesbrouck, Tommy Soderstrom, Marty Biron, Antero Nittimaki, and a million other goalies have failed miserably in their attempts to avoid yet another crushing disappointment between the pipes for our team going back to the late 1970s? That not one of them has lived up to the hype or been able to deliver when it counted the most?

YEP!! Nothing much on that list. You left out the best since Bernie, which was Pelle Lindburgh. What a sad day that was. Hextall would have been nothing more than his backup had that unfortunate accident not occured. I think he would have led us to a couple more Stanley Cup championships.
OrangeAndBlack
QUOTE (DrinkFightFlyers @ Oct 27 2008, 10:34 AM) *
hextall was great!


I love Hexy as much as the next fan, but we like jom more because he was a badass then his brillaint goaltending. He was famous for letting in back breaking goals at the worst possible times.

QUOTE (NorthCoast-FlyersFan @ Oct 27 2008, 10:50 AM) *
I think it is too early to give up on Biron.


This is the same thing with John Stevens to me. Biron is in consistent. He's 30 years old, so that won't really change at this point. Just being good sometimes isn't enough.


QUOTE (Dave44 @ Oct 27 2008, 01:08 PM) *
I can't really tell if that was sarcasm or not


I've been following the Flyers since I was knee-high to a grasshopper back in the 70's and been disappointed with our goaltending the whole time. It was definitely sarcasm.

QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Oct 27 2008, 03:52 PM) *
I don't know how you can pigeon hole Halak and say he's just a backup when he's only been in the league for such a short period of time. Pavelec is an unknown but we need a goalie of the future and he fulfills that need. That doesn't mean he's necessarily going to be handed the starting job right away because that's unlikely.


I'd add to that and say a lot of star goalies began as back up goalies.
propp16
QUOTE (gagsfan93 @ Oct 27 2008, 04:18 PM) *
Nah, lets bring up SCOTT MUNROE

Pssssshhh. I say we bring up Kovar to start tomorrow.
WillDaBeast
Flyers finally start winning. Lets trade some players and screw up the chemisty.
youngdaniel48
QUOTE (WillDaBeast @ Oct 27 2008, 04:42 PM) *
Flyers finally start winning. Lets trade some players and screw up the chemisty.


fact of the matter is, we need GOOD goalie depth. we dont have a top goalie prospect in our system like pavelec or halak, and it's something the Flyers need. As mentioned before, Biron is good, some sometimes good isnt enough. Sure, he had a great run last year in the playoffs, but with an inconsistent player, the opposite could easily happen this season. I dont think it's a good thing to go through a hockey season and loose games due to inconsistent goal tending and not be looking to pick up a good goalie prospect. Honestly, if Biron gets back into form (which he seems to be doing now), thats great, but the Flyers still need a top goalie prospect of the future. The Flyers should see what Montreal or Atlanta would want in return for Halak and Pavelec before it's assumed we'd be giving up too much/ruining chemistry.
Gagne12
QUOTE (Flyersfan 18 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:26 PM) *
I'd be fine with Pavelec or Halak. Just as long as Khabibulin never puts on a Flyers jersey.

+1
Gagne#12
QUOTE (Gagne12 @ Oct 27 2008, 11:50 PM) *
+1

What Flyers need is TOP defenseman,not a goalie..We have Niittymaki and he has a great potential.
But if we're getting someone then I say Pavelec.
WillDaBeast
QUOTE (youngdaniel48 @ Oct 27 2008, 05:45 PM) *
fact of the matter is, we need GOOD goalie depth. we dont have a top goalie prospect in our system like pavelec or halak, and it's something the Flyers need. As mentioned before, Biron is good, some sometimes good isnt enough. Sure, he had a great run last year in the playoffs, but with an inconsistent player, the opposite could easily happen this season. I dont think it's a good thing to go through a hockey season and loose games due to inconsistent goal tending and not be looking to pick up a good goalie prospect. Honestly, if Biron gets back into form (which he seems to be doing now), thats great, but the Flyers still need a top goalie prospect of the future. The Flyers should see what Montreal or Atlanta would want in return for Halak and Pavelec before it's assumed we'd be giving up too much/ruining chemistry.


Even if you trade for one of these guys they are just prospects remember. Don't expect them to come in and automatically be as nasty as Carey Price was his rookie season. Flyers do need some goalie prospects but I think they should wait a little while before they trade for one if they are going to trade one of the NHL players. With all the chaos the team is going through I don't know how shipping out NHL roster players and redoing the lines will affect them.

Biron has shown he is capable of being a number 1 goalie he started horribly but he is leveling off now and is looking better each start. Assuming he is back to his old self as long as we aren't in shootouts he should be fine for a while. They can see what Montreal and Atlanta want but I would give Flyers more games to play together to truly evaluate who we want and who is expendable.
Flyersfan018
Do you think Atlanta would do Hatcher for Pavelec + Kovy? laugh.gif
propp16
QUOTE (Flyersfan018 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:12 PM) *
Do you think Atlanta would do Hatcher for Pavelec + Kovy? laugh.gif

You joke but I read an article saying they would consider trading Kovalchuk and you never know what to expect from Atlanta. :PHeh.
Flyersfan018
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 27 2008, 07:17 PM) *
You joke but I read an article saying they would consider trading Kovalchuk and you never know what to expect from Atlanta. :PHeh.


laugh.gif Trading their franchise player...
Broad St. Bully
Still too early in the season to hit the panic button. I really don't see a better goalie out there for a price that we can afford.
United
If Homer is looking for a goaltender, he needs to see Cory Schneider. Schneider = going to be an American version of Luongo, he's learned a lot from Lui.
Hex27
No Ha-lak, No Ha-lak, No Ha-lak!!!
Dave
QUOTE (United @ Oct 28 2008, 12:20 AM) *
If Homer is looking for a goaltender, he needs to see Cory Schneider. Schneider = going to be an American version of Luongo, he's learned a lot from Lui.


He's in a great position at the moment. I mean, who wouldn't want to be a back-up for Luongo? Honing his skills from one of the best in the league.
DA21
QUOTE (Hex27 @ Oct 27 2008, 11:32 PM) *
No Ha-lak, No Ha-lak, No Ha-lak!!!

Yeah! The Flyers organ-I-zation doesn't like Eastern Europeans!! tongue.gif
Joe Mamma
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 27 2008, 05:54 AM) *
Does anybody know if there's been any recent trade history between the Flyers and Canadiens or what sort of relationships the two GMs have? Halak is getting more playing time in Montreal than I expected so I have to think they're showcasing him because they consider Price to be the next Patrick Roy.

I think Pavelec will cost us less in a trade.


Ha… Last time I checked, Roy had a pretty good glove.
propp16
QUOTE (Joe Mamma @ Oct 28 2008, 11:00 AM) *
Ha… Last time I checked, Roy had a pretty good glove.

Hahaha. This is very true.
YTownFlyersFan
QUOTE (United @ Oct 27 2008, 08:20 PM) *
If Homer is looking for a goaltender, he needs to see Cory Schneider. Schneider = going to be an American version of Luongo, he's learned a lot from Lui.


I agree, I'd love to see Cory wearing a Flyers uni. I really don't know much of prospect goalies but I know Schneider has the best chance outta anybody to be a NHL starter. If not him, I wouldnt mind looking at Howard from Detroit or Bulin, or even Al Montoya. I jus wouldnt want Halak. If I was Paul, I'd go after Schneider. Don't know how we'd acquire him but I'd be open to packaging Biron,Knuble, and a prospect or two for him. Couldnt happen though, Flyers have no luck with getting a highly coveted goaltender.
242424
QUOTE (propp16 @ Oct 28 2008, 11:08 AM) *
Hahaha. This is very true.
Yup, and so far this year Price's glove has been just fine. But then again , once branded always scarred......We shall soon see, real soon. no need arguing about this one...Boy , is this one ever goona come out in the wash.
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