Steve Downie was injured in a fight with Jay Beagle. After a scrum in front of the net between both teams, Steve Downie and Jay Beagle started a fight. Downie lost the fight and after hitting the ice, rolled over to his side in pain. Downie held his left knee.

IMO Downie played a great game and was pretty solid throughout. My belief is that he should make the roster this season whether he is on 3rd or 4th line. His speed is better than last season too.

Anyhow, whats your opinion(s) ?

Sorry mike i was on your login and didn't know it my bad man!?!?!
This topic is supposed to be posted by me. Mike next time your on my computer sign off lol

Stevens said in his press conference that they believe it is just a strained knee. We have to wait until later today for more news because he said they'd know more today.

As for my opinion... he's had a great camp! This is a little set back, but I believe he'll make the team as the fourth line center, who can play on the 3rd/2nd line when we need him too. He can also play RW when we need it, so I believe he'll definitely make the team!

I hope he can go by the time we play NYR on the 11th.

You know that the hockey world is all probably saying that he deserved it and blah blah. Whatever! Get better Downie!

yeah true +1 but Downie is a good player

Knee sprain is better than a 20 game suspension. He must be improving.

Good luck to him by all peoples accounts he deserves his NHL Roster spot.

Now for some light humour: What goes through Coach Steven's head when Downie has the puck in the Flyers Defensive Zone... NO DOWNIE NO!!!

Thanks and my friend mike who I posted this under says that He DOESN't deserve a spot
IMO he does whether its right wing or center he deserves it

his line should be like last night

Asham, Downie, Cote

Ohh no doubt! I was shocked I didn't see the fight on youtube at all last night with the "discription" saying "Downie gets when he deserves from Jay Beagel!" Or something stupid like that. I was POSITIVE I would see it, & was shocked when I didn't!

I haven't seen the fight, but I heard he may have been slew-footed. Is this true?

He didn't really lose the fight, either. Both players hit the ice at the same time, and Downie actually landed on top of him before rolling off him and landing awkwardly

It looked like his head was the body part that got injured. It bounced off the ice and he had no helmet on. They said on Comcast here in Philly that Downie will probably be out about 2 weeks. Nothing serious.

This vid isn't the best, but you can see where he gets slew-footed. Watch both players feet closely, & toward the end of the fight, you'll see Beagle litterally KICK Steve's feet from underneath of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCpljuWF6e4

I initially thought that it was his head too.

Glad to hear they're estimating it at 2 weeks!(That means he'll probably missing opening night. UGH! On the bright side though, it's not serious, & he will be back sooner rather then later.)

weight x2 onto 1 knee, thats gotta hurt.

All I can really see in that video is Downie getting pounded! Seriously though, hard to actually tell if it was an intentional slew foot, looks like they were just tangled up. Don't think it would be intentional since he was seriously pounding Downie into submission anyway.

are we watching the same fight? most of beagle's punches are missing.

As I said, you have to watch it closely. He wasn't pounding him into submission. They were both throwing punches. You want to see someone get pounded into submission, watch the Cote fight from last night, & the Asham fight from last Saturday.

As for weather it was intentional, or not. If it wasn't intentional, why did the refs give Beagle the extra two minuets? Obviously, the refs thought it was intentional, & gave Beagle the extra too for intent to injury(I believe is what Saunders & Therien said. I was so caught up on the fact Steve was hurt, I may have heard wrong.) I'm not saying the refs are always right (cause we ALL know, as Flyer fans they aren't,) but as I said, if you watch closely, you can see Beagle take his right foot, & kick both of Steve's out from under him, but you have to WATCH BOTH PLAYERS FEET CLOSELY! If you don't you'll surely miss it!

Holmgren gave an update on the Flyers site. Says it is a strain or something.
Hopefully Downie gets better sooooon.

That's good to hear! I'm sure he'll be back soon.(Hopefully before the First regular season game, but I don't want him to rush, so I'll just expect him not to play, & hope he does!)

I hope Downie gets to play more than he is in the pre season. He's better than a 4th line, limited time, role player. He's only 21 and getting better. Atleast put him on the third line, he's got the skill and determination as he showed it by dropping the weight. Downie is the man, hope he heals quick.

I have to agree, he is better then a 4th liner. As time goes on, he'll get better, & when he surpasses Metropolit(in points, assists, goals, etc.) he should be moved to the third line. Hopefully, that'll happen quickly!(Don't get me wrong, I like Metro, but I believe Downie will be better as time goes on.) As for the healing... I'm with you! I want him in the opening night lineup, however I don't want to see him rush back, if he's still injuried. He needs to heal to 100% before coming back, so he doesn't run the risk of re-injuring himself.

MCL is nothing to play with, something you want to heal completely before tryin to really do anything. It can possibly ruin your career quick. I tore my MCL, while tryin to play with it, i tore my ACL. 4 knee surgery's later, I'm lucky if I can play hockey with braces in adult pick up games.

I'm sure they aren't going to mess with it. He's out until he's 100% & cleared by a doctor! Until then, I suspect Jim Dowd will be playing 4th line center!

Are you sure about this? they just released dowd lol

Their gonna play metroploit or w.e his name is lol and play nodl <---- most likely

Well, Steve is at West Point & from what I saw on the video yesterday, looks great, so no, I'm not positive about it. However, I would hope they aren't going to try to force him to play too early. We'll have to see if he practiced with the team today up in West Point (they said they'd be practicing at the West Point rink before doing the team building exercise.) I guess that will be the "true test" as to what's going on. (With all of the current injured players.)



Metro is still playing the third line, & the other night they had Darroll Powe playing in Steve's place. Chris Therein & Tim Saunders both reported that Powe will be the fourth line center until Steve is ready to play. (However worthy their word truely is. ) We'll just have to wait & see!

Once he gets back healthy and playing I could definatley see him taking over as the 3rd line center by the middle of the season. He played pretty good with Hartnell last season, and his passing abiltiy should fit well with Lupul as well. Add in the fact that his skating has improved greatly over the summer and if the three of them could click it would provide the Flyers with a very good 3rd line as well as a good 4th line with Cote-Metropolit-Asham.

I don't think downie has played like himself since pre-concussion.

Yo, Dj R.

You were playing pickup in Roxy Sunday morning right? I recognized the pads. Do you have a team in that league?

I was on the team in the Black Jerseys that played at 11.

Out of curiosity... do you mean that as a "good" thing, or a "bad" thing? I mean, do you mean he hasn't played out of control like he had been before the concussion, or are you talking more out of control? (I only ask cause I thought he played good at the end of last year, with the exception of the turn over in the ECF's, that he got told about, & has appeared to work on. Then this year in the pre-season before he was injured by Beagle, he scored two goals in the first game, & was doing pretty well; hence the reason he made the team with ease, IMO.)

I can understand your question. But I'm a downie fan. IMO he was playing better offensively and checking better and more often, before his injury.

I go hot and Cold on Downie.

I think he has tremendous potential and showed a lot of commitment this offseason getting into the kind of shape he has gotten into.

But, as always with Steve-o the problem is mental capacity. If he can keep his head screwed on straight and not make egregious mental mistakes i.e. penalty magnet he can have a tremendous season.

He needs at least third line time if he's going to succeed.
Leave the 4th to Metropolit & Asham.

Downie's our man for the third line

when did he get a concussion are you talking last year from the bug george hit?

Ahh, okay. (By "injury" do you mean the concussion, or the MCL strain?)

I think he's done a pretty good job of this over the pre-season. (Prior to his injury.) I'm really hoping he continues it through the season!

Concussion

Ohh okay. Well, I guess we'll see what happens when he gets back from the MCL strain. I mean, weather he can put up points, or not. (It'll be difficult because it's the fourth line, but I think he has a better shot at point up points then Cote does. )

lol yes but i think that his play has improved since last year
although i do miss his aggressiveness

I still think he's aggressive, but he's not as aggressive as he was last year. I think he's just put the aggression more into score, then fighting. However, I bet you'll see the old aggressiveness return the first time we face Washington, IF Beagle is still on the team/in the line up. I'd imagine he views the injury/fight as unfinished bussiness. Mainly because of the way Beagle decided to end it. It wouldn't be a big deal if Steve had been injured in the "heat of the moment", but he wasn't; Beagle slew-footed him, purposely for the intent of taking him to the ice, when he easily could have wrestled him to the ice, with the added slew-fotting. I mean, he clearly had the upper hand in the altercation, so there's no reason he should have had to slew-foot Steve to get him to the ice. He did it because he wanted to, & I'd imagine, Steve is gonna want some sort of revenge on it. (Not revenge that gets him suspended, or that gets Beagle injured, but he's at least gonna want a FAIR re-match, as long as Beagle is on the team/in the lineup, & isn't too much of a wuss to give it. [& why should he be? He "won" the last fight, right?])

In case you can't tell, I don't like Beagle. I know a lot of people say Steve had it coming, but what he did last year to McAmmond was an OBVIOUS accident. How anyone can watch the video, & say he did it on purpose is beyond me, but what do I know? He more than likely wouldn't have sucker punched Jason Blake if he wouldn't have opened his mouth on the McAmmond matter; a matter that had NOTHING at all to do with his team, or him, so IMO Blake got what was coming to him. If you don't wanna fight, or deal with the cuts/brusies/inuries that come with playing hockey then don't play! (That's not to say I excuse the punch, I don't! Steve surely could have gone about it better, but if Blake hadn't opened his mouth, there would have been no altercation, there for no need for Steve to even think about going it in another way.) I'm also aware he had a bad Junior rep, that obviously followed him. However, no one can say Steve hasn't admitted to his mistakes in the past year cause from what I've read on various sites, he has. Doesn't mean he hasn't made them more then once because he obviously has, but he appears to have worked on it in the off season. (He only 2 major penalties & 1 minor in the Pre-Season. I don't know if he would have gotten more in the Pre-Season becuase he didn't get the chance, but judging off of what I DO know it sounds like the aggression has regressed over the off season to me, but again, what do I know?) Okay, now I'm rambling endlessly, I'll just shut up because everything I've said has already been stated in countless other threads on the board by others.

Not sold on Downie...gotta see more from him.

what is his status for tomorra

NHL site released opening night rosters and hes on it...sooo we'll see.

Philadelphia Flyers

Arron Asham, F; J.S. Aubin, G; Martin Biron, G; Daniel Briere, F; Jeff Carter, F; Braydon Coburn, D; Riley Cote, F; Steve Downie, F; Steve Eminger, D; Simon Gagne, F; Scott Hartnell, F; Randy Jones, D; Mike Knuble, F; Lasse Kukkonen, D; Joffrey Lupul, F; Glen Metropolit, F; Antero Niittymaki, G; Mike Richards, F; Jared Ross, F; Luca Sbisa, D; Kimmo Timonen, D; Scottie Upshall, F; Ossi Vaananen, D.

According to the Flyers site yesterday (10-09-08, in the "Jones may need surgery" article) the "Other Flyers Notes" at the end said he practiced the entire duration of practice, & Stevens said Steve told him his leg felt "great," so I think he'll probably play. Seeing his name on that list basically says he will, but you're right, we'll have to see!

What do you think about Jared Ross. I think he has a real shot at becoming a full time player for the flyers. He knows how to put the puck in the net but with all the talent on the Flyers do you think he ends up going to another team

he has a solid shot at making it. but it all depends on how he plays if downie can't play tonight
i have a feeling downie makes some great strides as a player this year centering the 4th line

27 played well tonight.

I don't think he'll ever make it with the Flyers, we're too deep with forwards. He seems like a good guy though. He stopped and read a little girls sign tonight that said it was her birthday and he threw a puck to her.

Back on topic. Downie didn't play much but he didn't do too bad. I'd like to see him get some time on the 3rd line where he can have a chance at making some plays. However, our fourth line actually had a couple chances tonight...

Yes, he did!



No, he didn't play much, but they time he got to play he did well. Heck, his first shift he ALMOST scored; if only he would have shot it AT the net, instead of wide, he would have had his first goal of the year! His fight was also a good one; got a few good shots in on Lapierre.

The fourth line did very well for the time they got to play. Cote also had a good shot at getting a goal. Ohh, & his hit on Komosarik was AWESOME! You know what they say "Pay back is a b****!" I think Komosarik figured that out the hard way last night!

I missed the hit. And they replayed it several times.
I think downie got a good amt of ice time in the 1st period, right? He needs to remember that he's a good offensive player.