I agree with this but it's hard to imagine the Flyers moving some salary to fit him in. Since there is legitimate interest there so that either means money is not an issue for him or they are considering moving salary.

courier post...

Can you imagine the Flyers beginning the 2008-09 season with Mats Sundin, Daniel Briere, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter as the team's top four centers? Paul Holmgren can.

The Flyers general manager acknowledged Monday he has spoken with J.P. Barry, the Calgary-based agent for Sundin, who remains the most sought-after player on the NHL's free-agent market.

"The only thing I can say is we inquired about his availability," Holmgren said of the 37-year-old Swede. "Until Mats decides whether or not he's going to play, it's a moot point."

Holmgren characterized his conversations with Barry as exploratory and said he was given no indication of whether Sundin wanted to play this season or what it would cost to sign him.
Barry did not return a message left Monday at his office. He told Canada's The Sports Network on Sunday that the Flyers, Rangers, Maple Leafs and Canucks are among the teams interested in signing Sundin, who made $5.5 million with the Leafs last season while recording 32 goals and 46 assists in 74 games.

The Canucks reportedly offered Sundin a two-year, $20 million contract, while the Maple Leafs reportedly offered $7 million in a one-year deal. The Rangers reportedly are willing to pay Sundin $5 million this season.The Flyers are currently about $1 million over the NHL's $56.7 million salary cap. To make room for Sundin's salary, Holmgren would need to make major changes to the club's roster, possibly moving Briere or Carter to create salary space for Sundin.

The Flyers already possess three of the league's highest-paid centers in Briere ($6.5 million), Richards ($5.75 million) and Carter ($5 million).

"You have to look at the implications of the future," Flyers president Peter Luukko said.

"When you add a player like Sundin, you want to do it as a piece of the puzzle that gets you to the next level, not as something that changes the core of your team."

Holmgren said Monday he would "wait and see" if Sundin wants to return for an 18th NHL season before determining what moves he would make to clear salary space for the NHL's all-time leading scorer among Swedish-born players (1,321 points in 1,305 games).

"Mats is a good player, and certainly we would be interested," Holmgren said. "But until he decides whether he wants to play, there's not much to talk about."

Sundin is not the only high-profile veteran who remains unsigned. Former Rangers winger Brendan Shanahan, 39, is contemplating his future after recording 23 goals and 23 assists in 73 games in New York last season

, possibly moving Briere or Carter to create salary space for Sundin.The Flyers already possess three of the league's highest-paid centers in Briere ($6.5 million), Richards ($5.75 million) and Carter ($5 million).


i think the post is reading these forums lol

Lmao. 2.5 a year? Ha! That would have to be more like 7.5 a year with bonuses, if not more. Sorry, but your dreaming.

Again, he's not worth what he's asking for. No more aging rental players please. Thank you.

And how do you know what he's asking for? If he was after the money he would've signed already. Also, Homer wouldn't be interested if he was asking for more than 5.

Isn't trading young players for old players what caused us problems in the past?

Absolutely.

Again, as stated earlier, it's a moot point. If Mats Sundin, came out and said "Yes, I'll suit up for a one year/2 million dollar contract" then i'd be all for it. No one can deny how good that guy has been in his career, espeically cinsidering some of the linemates he's had.

However, no matter what anyone says, He's not going to take a 3 million dollar pay cut to play with us (or more), Especially consdering we all know the rangers would get rid of young prospects and players to pay him a nice contract.


Do I want him? Yes.

Are we gonna get him? No.

Do I hope to win 25,000 on this scratch and win I just bought? I'm **** well hoping so!

I don't want to give up depth for rental.

Especially when we have so many good young players who are about to emerge.

there is no way the flyers are dealing carter to get sundin. its not even an option.

if they were willing to give carter up they would have traded him before. carter is here to stay.

knuble could go and potentially another player but none of the young guys.

If he wanted to play for cheap I'd take him....doubt he will though.

Holmgren:

I doubt it happens. Probably just Holmgren inquiring. It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

I don't frikin want Mats Sundin!

If he was on the Flyers, the Orange & Black would be tainted in my opinion. Let a stupid team pay him 10M/year have him.

You're right. I think everyone is reading a little too much into this.



To me, that says, "We'll ask him if he'd play for $x, because that's all we can afford. If so, great. If not, then we move on".

Is it September yet??

good to hear. to me, this means we're not moving carter, or anyone w/ 3+ year deal, to fit him in.

Yeah, I think we're pretty much all in agreement this isn't going to happen. I'm glad to see Philadelphia sports moving away from the signing past their prime FA. Bob Clarke would've figured out a way to get him.

I love the fact that all our front office is focused on is winning. Unlike another sports team here, this team is not afraid to spend money. I am not sure if I would want Sundin because of what we may have to give up. If it came down to it, who would we rather try for? Sundin or Shanahan

Shanahan would be quite a bit cheaper, but again, we don't need offense right now. I honestly think we'd be better off with our current roster, then trade for some short term defense possibly at the deadline. Bouwmeester comes to mind because we all know he's not staying in Florida next year. The chances of us getting Bouwmeester are very slim, I'm just tossing a name out there. Again, though, the fact remains we really don't need offense.

****, even trading for a goalie prospect would be a better idea right now. Biron is good, but he's not THAT good.

Someone should start a thread about that so we can discuss.

I'd rather not actually, too many threads as it is. It was just the first defenseman that came to mind.

XD

The wink was meant to indicate sarcasm.

This one would probably have been better

As it stands i dont think the flyers are necessarily done dealing, and by that i mean i think another minor move is going to happen. they arent going to go into the season like this with them at this cap number.

unfortunately i think i see a guy like knuble getting moved because a team out there could use him and his trade value could net us a prospect.

I'm not so sure. I think they're prepared to go into the season with the roster they have. Especially if Hatcher goes onto LTIR at the start of the season, which would put them under the cap limit. And I think they'll wait to see how Gagne pans out before making any more deals.

i hope you guys sign sundin. you guys can use another old washed up swede

u guys JUST singed naslund. and ur rumors to be the front runner for sundin.

naslund is signed 4 a reasonable price & can stay healthy. how often r rumors true?

I don't want us to sign Sundin, but he's contributed a bit more lately than has Naslund.

yes sundin has done more lately but naslund has still been solid. if u signed sundin it would be very bad but if we signed him it may help us cuz we need offense our defense is already solid tho i still dont want him.

He is saying this hoping that the opposite is true.

It's a shame when you call a player old and washed up and that player would have led your team in points 78 and +/- at +17. What does that say about your entire team? You want Sundin so bad you had to come to the Flyers board and use reverse voodoo just to gauge our interest in him. I have an idea, concern yourself with your high payroll, low point producing roster before you worry about who we sign.

Oh Snap!

So, he's an old, washed up Swede. But if the Rangers sign him, he wouldn't be old and washed up any longer? Lmao. Any bit of crediblility(if any even exists) in your statements are completely lost by these few posts. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Sather sign Sundin. It would be a typical move of his, and would only be another handcuff for that team.

We'll see how you feel about the "solid" Rangers defense come December or January when you realize the lack of depth the Rangers have at defense right now. Redden is overpriced, and even after 11 years of NHL play, he hasn't learned what it takes to be a "solid" defenseman. And Rozsival is in the same boat. Overpriced, and after 7 seasons in the NHL, doesn't seem to realize what it takes to be a "solid" defenseman. Should I go on? Kalinin? Hahaha! Mara? Oooops, another giveaway.... My guess is we won't even see you on this board boasting about the Rags defense at mid season, if even on this board at all. Buh Bye.

every player in the nhl would c a decline in #s on the rangers because of our style of play.

Lol. How pathetic. Would that be their choking style, or their underachieving style?

verbal rape....+1

a philly fan wants 2 talk about choking?

Sounds painful. Did he drop the soap?

gotta admit that's good.

Talk with proper grammar.

Let me ask you this though. Money not even included, who do you think would be better off....

The Flyers with Sundin

The Rangers with Naslund


and be honest here:)

One guy was playing on a trap and dump team. The other guy was playing on a no defense team. Be serious and don't beat around the bush. Who do you think would be better off? I believe from what I saw from Markus Naslund last year that he can still be a 30 goal scorer. Sundin is a 30 goal scorer.

The answer is a tough one though sundin would be better off because this is the more offensive team however Naslund would be better off because he has great offensive players great defenseman and a truly elite goaltender on his team. Success can be found on both sides.

The entire point is this. You can garaun-dam-tee that not 1 single Flyer fan is on the rags board with concern about them signing Sundin. You are here solely to keep a sharp eye on Sundin's situation. You want to get any news on him as fast as possible. Flyers would spot you Sundin and still own you in any playoff series coming up. The only reason he hasn't signed with the rags yet is he's waiting and hoping Philly makes some kind of move to acquire him. He would also come here for less money.

The whole point of him not returning to Toronto is based on him wanting to play for a CONTENDER. This eliminates you. MOD EDIT: Please refrain from wishing bodily harm on your fellow posters.

naslund fits better with the rangers because there was a need 4 him. we lost jagr & shanny. jagr was on the decline he scored 25 goals this year, 30 last, & 54 the year before. naslund matched him in goals last year & should be a decent replacement. Zherdev replaces shanny, he had better numbers in all the areas. it makes us better because naslund was a good leader and good in the lockerroom unlike jagr.

sundin 2 the flyers makes no sense cuz u have 3 strong centers & dont need more offense. money is what really breaks it tho u will have to dump players just 2 afford him.

That's why it isn't likely to happen, Zhredev turns the puck over a lot, and that is deadly no matter how good your goalie/defense is. If the Flyers actually signed Sundin, He could play first line center, and then move Briere to right wing. Homer was just saying that they would consider Sundin IF he decides to play again, he never said that he's going after him, or that he thinks we need him. Also, Homer said that if he were to go after him, it wouldn't include messing up any of our long term plans.

Bwhahahhaa Zhredev replaces Shanny.

Yes forwards turn the puck over a lot. Thats what they do. I'm sure there are flyers forwards who turn the puck over plenty that really doesn't make sense.

If this all happened last season, I would be all over Sundin. But I think Homer is playing his cards correctly on this one (as he usually does). When a player of that caliber NO MATTER HOW OLD becomes available, every team in the league should show some sort of interest. Clearing cap space would have to include moving Knuble or Hatcher, if he decides to still play, as well as somebody like an Upshall or Lupul. I wouldn't touch it.

Sorry for the double post

I hate Sundin and I hope we dont get him

But he's a ranger fan and if he poked himself in boths eyes then crossed a busy intersection there is no actual garauntee he would get hurt.

I'll second that.