The Mighty Tim
Aug 18 2008, 03:35 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AtDX...p&type=lgnsQUOTE
The report also suggests Sundin, who recorded 78 points (32-46) last season, has no interest in returning to the Leafs, nor does he have interest in joining Montreal or Vancouver, which has offered a two-year, $20-million deal.
According to the report, Philadelphia is also in the mix, with GM Paul Holmgren aggressively pursuing the first-line centre
This is news to me!
ericmedc
Aug 18 2008, 05:01 AM
With Sundin here either Carter or Briere have to be moved. Briere I wouldn't mind cause his contract is just stupid, but because of his stupid contract that's impossible. So if we land Sundin then I expect Carter to be traded for a D-man. Though I don't think the Panthers would trade Bouwmeester yet, they will wait. Sigh.. Then we also have to fit everything under the cap. With Sundin denying 10mil contracts, I'm curious what the Flyers would offer.
Byrns
Aug 18 2008, 05:25 AM
QUOTE (ericmedc @ Aug 18 2008, 06:01 AM)

With Sundin here either Carter or Briere have to be moved. Briere I wouldn't mind cause his contract is just stupid, but because of his stupid contract that's impossible. So if we land Sundin then I expect Carter to be traded for a D-man. Though I don't think the Panthers would trade Bouwmeester yet, they will wait. Sigh.. Then we also have to fit everything under the cap. With Sundin denying 10mil contracts, I'm curious what the Flyers would offer.
If Sundin wants a cup and win more than 35 games this season, he better not accept a 10 M contract on a ****** team.
He already has money but no cup, why not accept a lower salary on a team like us...
The Rifle27
Aug 18 2008, 06:13 AM
Apparently we were interested in him a couple of years ago as well.
Dave
Aug 18 2008, 06:19 AM
He's not worth it.
slitz
Aug 18 2008, 06:37 AM
why wouldnt we be interested? he's a world class player with plenty still left in the tank. I wouldnt trade the farm to make room a la lindors. But you have to at least try to make room if he is in fact interested in playing here.
Dave
Aug 18 2008, 06:40 AM
QUOTE (slitz @ Aug 18 2008, 12:37 PM)

why wouldnt we be interested? he's a world class player with plenty still left in the tank. I wouldnt trade the farm to make room a la lindors. But you have to at least try to make room if he is in fact interested in playing here.
Depends on how much he actually wants, to pay him more/the same than what Ovechkin is on is ridiculous.
ericmedc
Aug 18 2008, 07:11 AM
QUOTE (Byrns @ Aug 18 2008, 12:25 PM)

If Sundin wants a cup and win more than 35 games this season, he better not accept a 10 M contract on a ****** team.
He already has money but no cup, why not accept a lower salary on a team like us...
I'd say that Montreal is a pretty decent team, that is probably better then the Flyers when Price doesn't choke
southjerseyhomeguide.com
Aug 18 2008, 07:35 AM
If I was a leafs fan Mats Sundin would be public enemy #1 for me. He could of been traded to a contender at the trade deadline for a chance to win the cup but he pulled the "Im faithful to the organization" BS. He could of done exactly what Forsberg did for us.
Could you imagine if Forsberg refused to be traded from the Flyers? That means no Timo, Upshall, Hartnell, Parent on our team and we'd most likely wouldnt of made it to the playoffs this past season. Homer has done a great job putting this team together but lets face it, the rebuilding started with Peter Forsberg not being a selfish ***** like Mats Sundin.
mchrissy77
Aug 18 2008, 07:44 AM
I was surprised by the comments about Homer. I have no idea why he would be 'agressively' pursuing Mats unless he thought he could get him for next to nothing. If that's the case, you could move Danny to wing with more confidence than before.
OrangeAndBlack
Aug 18 2008, 07:45 AM
Sundin isn't going to play for less than 7 mil, and that's probably even a joke to him. We still won't have the top D man we want and will only be getting rid of a young center to get an old one. And there's our salary cap problem.
No way.
PensFreak
Aug 18 2008, 09:05 AM
Last I checked the Flyers were already teetering on the edge of the salary cap. This is probably not a good idea.
Flyershooligan
Aug 18 2008, 09:36 AM
hes not worth giving up carter or briere. If he is not willing to take less money to play on a better team than hes going to continue to play on bad teams.
The Rifle27
Aug 18 2008, 09:42 AM
QUOTE (ericmedc @ Aug 18 2008, 08:11 AM)

I'd say that Montreal is a pretty decent team, that is probably better then the Flyers when Price doesn't choke
MTL is no better than we are right now, even when price does play good. If anything we are better then they are. We have more depth that they do. Plus they just lost a 60 point player on the blueline.
In no way am i stating they suck. But i think that they are a Tad bit overrated.
propp16
Aug 18 2008, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (The Rifle27 @ Aug 18 2008, 10:42 AM)

MTL is no better than we are right now, even when price does play good. If anything we are better then they are. We have more depth that they do. Plus they just lost a 60 point player on the blueline.
In no way am i stating they suck. But i think that they are a Tad bit overrated.
I agree with you that they are overrated. Adding Tanguay was good but, on the whole, I don't think they'll do as well as many people are predicting. The X factor, as mentioned, is Price. If he has a stellar year, that team may go pretty far into the playoffs.
bewareofBRIERE
Aug 18 2008, 10:10 AM
sundin could help, and i'm sure he has something left in the tank, but i'm not sure he's worth killing whatever cap space we have and getting rid of carter and or other young guys
with that said though if homer can pull his magic and not give up too much and still not kill the cap i would love the pickup
LVFlyersfan12
Aug 18 2008, 11:08 AM
we are already over the cap.
we wouldnt get rid of carter or briere.
we could get rid of knuble, hatcher, and then maybe someone else.
youngdaniel48
Aug 18 2008, 12:41 PM
Sundin can still put up some pretty good numbers...but how much longer can he play? Two...three years at the most? I dont think signing him to a two year contract and possibly getting rid of carter or briere, guys who will be around for years and can put the same numbers up as sundin, is worth signing him. If Homer can somehow get us some cap space, i say dont use it on sundin...lets get some goalie depth.
Citizen Snips
Aug 18 2008, 01:02 PM
I would love Sundin if he signed for a reasonable price and we only had to move replaceable players like Knuble, Jones, or Upshall.
Phifly10
Aug 18 2008, 01:16 PM
this all seems like the canadian press hadnt really had anything interesting to write about in a while so he started this bogus romour i see no way this is at all possible
SteelyDan
Aug 18 2008, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (LVFlyersfan12 @ Aug 18 2008, 12:08 PM)

we are already over the cap.
we wouldnt get rid of carter or briere.
we could get rid of knuble, hatcher, and then maybe someone else.
Hatcher is not getting moved. Its almost impossible to move him
richards for captain
Aug 18 2008, 01:54 PM
I haven't read much in this topic or the article, but this was mentioned to me yesterday by bernie parent (Himself and my dad being long time friends) down at my house in avalon, he was saying that Sundin's number one choice would be the Rags but his close second is the Flyers, bernie also told me that Homer has been in constant contact with Sundin over the past month.
ibanez
Aug 18 2008, 02:03 PM
I have no interest in Sundin....We have a core of young centers.. Why bring him in?
SteelyDan
Aug 18 2008, 02:34 PM
QUOTE (ibanez @ Aug 18 2008, 03:03 PM)

I have no interest in Sundin....We have a core of young centers.. Why bring him in?
Whole-heartedly agree. I am not denying Sundin's skill level, but our offense was fine last year. We need help on the defensive end, and picking up Sundin doesn't really help us.
sbisafan
Aug 18 2008, 02:45 PM
I really don't see this happening, and quite frankly, I really wouldn't want it to unless we move Carter or Richards. Now that's something I really don't want to happen.
philly fan 27
Aug 18 2008, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (sbisafan @ Aug 18 2008, 03:45 PM)

I really don't see this happening, and quite frankly, I really wouldn't want it to unless we move Carter or Richards. Now that's something I really don't want to happen.
we have a better shot of trading for brett favre
Andy
Aug 18 2008, 02:56 PM
The Flyers have been successful at developing a young team. To change that now, and move youth away for old, overpriced players doesn't seem logical to me at all. This organization has tried things like this in the past, and it's never turned out well.
Not to mention Sundin's looking for a top dollar salary that some of the best players in the league are getting. Sundin's a solid player, but he's not one of the best in the league right now. Sorry. He's not worth what he's asking for, and whatever team he ends up going to will be handcuffed by picking him up for a short term. The Flyers don't need that. I see no reason to upset the chemistry of this team for a rental player.
The Mighty Tim
Aug 18 2008, 03:04 PM
Time for my picture again, methinks:
FlyersGirl
Aug 18 2008, 03:04 PM
If they can somehow can Sundin cheaply then I don't see how you can pass up on him. Otherwise he doesn't make a ton of sense.
OrangeAndBlack
Aug 18 2008, 03:10 PM
QUOTE (SteelyDan @ Aug 18 2008, 03:34 PM)

Whole-heartedly agree. I am not denying Sundin's skill level, but our offense was fine last year. We need help on the defensive end, and picking up Sundin doesn't really help us.
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QUOTE (Andy @ Aug 18 2008, 03:56 PM)

The Flyers have been successful at developing a young team. To change that now, and move youth away for old, overpriced players doesn't seem logical to me at all. This organization has tried things like this in the past, and it's never turned out well.
Not to mention Sundin's looking for a top dollar salary that some of the best players in the league are getting. Sundin's a solid player, but he's not one of the best in the league right now. Sorry. He's not worth what he's asking for, and whatever team he ends up going to will be handcuffed by picking him up for a short term. The Flyers don't need that. I see no reason to upset the chemistry of this team for a rental player.
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propp16
Aug 18 2008, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Aug 18 2008, 03:54 PM)

we have a better shot of trading for brett favre
I thought the Red Sox got him straight up for Manny.
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Aug 18 2008, 04:04 PM)

If they can somehow can Sundin cheaply then I don't see how you can pass up on him. Otherwise he doesn't make a ton of sense.
Agreed.
OrangeAndBlack
Aug 18 2008, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Aug 18 2008, 04:04 PM)

If they can somehow can Sundin cheaply then I don't see how you can pass up on him. Otherwise he doesn't make a ton of sense.
Given that some other teams seem willing to throw plenty of money at him, I wonder why he'd come here for less. We're biased as Flyer fans, but I think a free agent NHLer doesn't see much distinction between Montreal's chances and ours for a championship.
MarkC
Aug 18 2008, 03:53 PM
Haha if he signs with us for the veteran minimum, i'd LOVE to have him
OrangeAndBlack
Aug 18 2008, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (MarkC @ Aug 18 2008, 04:53 PM)

Haha if he signs with us for the veteran minimum, i'd LOVE to have him

Maybe he's lured in by the thought of us discussing him all day on the FMB. Who needs money when you have hockey-obsessed, hyper critical Flyer fans to scrutinize your every move.
tina78
Aug 18 2008, 05:44 PM
I don't want him.
oldtimehockey324
Aug 18 2008, 06:48 PM
QUOTE (tina78 @ Aug 18 2008, 06:44 PM)

I don't want him.
I couldn't have said it better myself
Flyerfan52
Aug 18 2008, 07:07 PM
Whenever the Canadian sites have nothing else to write about they go with the Sundin to where ever. I did hear this rumor was started in NY. Guess it was a slow sports day there too.
Flyerfan52
Aug 18 2008, 07:12 PM
Sundin is not worth moving current players for. The lineup with Giroux added is all that's needed. Unless Brodeur became available. Rumors also have McCabe coming to the Flyers. Please not!
Gagne12
Aug 18 2008, 09:17 PM
Where did you hear about McCabe? If we can get Mats at a cheap price, im all for him but if he wants an arm and a leg + half of another leg, forget it. We need D more then C and C is already in good shape unless Metropolit is a healthy scratch everygame and uses Sundin 1st game, Briere 2nd then Richards and Carter or you move Briere to wing and and keep Downie down in the minors is another possibility.
LVFlyersfan12
Aug 18 2008, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (Flyerfan52 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:12 PM)

Sundin is not worth moving current players for. The lineup with Giroux added is all that's needed. Unless Brodeur became available. Rumors also have McCabe coming to the Flyers. Please not!
its being reported that he would go to the panthers.
jefjd
Aug 19 2008, 08:34 AM
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Aug 18 2008, 04:04 PM)

If they can somehow can Sundin cheaply then I don't see how you can pass up on him. Otherwise he doesn't make a ton of sense.
Yeah. This really doesn't seem plausible, but if he is willing to play for cheap he would be a welcome addition.
ZaneZavin
Aug 19 2008, 10:56 AM
The guy is still dominant with the puck. If there is a way to work it out, not paying too much and not needing to move too much, I would love to see it done. Sundin would almost certainly be captain. Even at his age he is an impact player. It doesn't seem likely, but it would be awesome.
philly fan 27
Aug 19 2008, 10:58 AM
QUOTE (ZaneZavin @ Aug 19 2008, 11:56 AM)

The guy is still dominant with the puck. If there is a way to work it out, not paying too much and not needing to move too much, I would love to see it done. Sundin would almost certainly be captain. Even at his age he is an impact player. It doesn't seem likely, but it would be awesome.
sundin would certainly NOT be captain.
Bernie1
Aug 19 2008, 11:05 AM
this isn't going to happen unless we know for sure we could trade Knuble for a young, cheap, solid defenseman and Sundin wants to wear orange and black so bad that he'd take a huge pay cut. no chance in he!!
Retire#27
Aug 19 2008, 11:05 AM
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Aug 19 2008, 11:58 AM)

sundin would certainly NOT be captain.
Sundin is a douchebag (sorry, had to say it).
mchrissy77
Aug 19 2008, 11:06 AM
QUOTE (Retire#27 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:05 PM)

Sundin is a douchebag (sorry, had to say it).
This.
No freaking way would he be the captain on this team.
spoonie luv
Aug 19 2008, 11:30 AM
If they are indeed interested in getting Sundin and he told them he would come here, there's in my opinion a very easy solution to get him without moving Briere or Carter. I wouldn't move either of them to get Sundin. I would do the the following, trade Jones and Gagne to FLA for Bouwmeester, which creates about 2.5 in cap room. We move Briere to wing and you offer Sundin a 2 year deal worth 2.5 million per year with alot of bonuses in the contract. Our lines could then be:
Briere-Sundin-Knuble
Hartnell-Richards-Lupul
Upshall-Carter-Giroux
Asham/Cote-Metropolit-Downie
Timonen-Coburn
Bouwmeester-Parent
Vaananen-Eminger
mchrissy77
Aug 19 2008, 11:49 AM
QUOTE (spoonie luv @ Aug 19 2008, 12:30 PM)

If they are indeed interested in getting Sundin and he told them he would come here, there's in my opinion a very easy solution to get him without moving Briere or Carter. I wouldn't move either of them to get Sundin. I would do the the following, trade Jones and Gagne to FLA for Bouwmeester, which creates about 2.5 in cap room. We move Briere to wing and you offer Sundin a 2 year deal worth 2.5 million per year with alot of bonuses in the contract. Our lines could then be:
Briere-Sundin-Knuble
Hartnell-Richards-Lupul
Upshall-Carter-Giroux
Asham/Cote-Metropolit-Downie
Timonen-Coburn
Bouwmeester-Parent
Vaananen-Eminger
I'd be all for this, but I can already see some logistical nightmares involved with this move. The first is the time frame that the Bouwmeester trade would have to happen within in order to make the second part work. The second is that the upper limit for the cap is a hard limit, so they couldn't try to circumvent the team cap hit with incentives and bonuses for Sundin.
Flyershooligan
Aug 19 2008, 11:47 AM
i wouldn't mind having him, but not at the cost of briere or carter. i dont want to lose one of those two for sundin this late in his career
SoJer4
Aug 19 2008, 12:08 PM
Stop with all the negativity, you know you'll be right out there getting a #13 jersey.
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