I'm not a Flyers fan because I want arguably the most talented player in the NHL... gee I must not be...

great news but well see what happens after he starts to get hit

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT!

i was like uh oh, is someone try to super stalk and steal simon gagne away from his wife!?

Read this earlier today on delawareonline...Sounds like some good news on Simon..


The News Journal FlyersThursday, July 31, 2008Prolotherapy helps Flyers' Gagne recover
Injections alleviate concussion symptoms
By CHUCK GORMLEY • Special to The News Journal • July 31, 2008

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Simon Gagne has a few words of encouragement for Flyers fans who have seen R.J. Umberger, Jason Smith and Sami Kapanen leave Philadelphia.


"The way I look at it, I might be the free agent the Flyers signed this year," Gagne said. "I wasn't a big part of the team last year and I want to be a big part this season."

Gagne said the concussion symptoms that kept him out of all but 25 games last season are completely gone, thanks to a therapy called prolotherapy.

Gagne heard about the procedure while watching a health segment on WPVI's "Action News." He contacted Dr. Scott Greenberg, who specializes in prolotherapy at Magaziner Center For Wellness and Anti-Aging in Cherry Hill, N.J.

"When I first saw Simon back in April, he had neck pain, dizziness and real bad headaches," Greenberg said. "But he also had a tilt to his pelvis and some back pain. His symptoms were very similar to whiplash."

Gagne underwent a series of anesthetic injections in his neck, head, shoulders, pelvis and back. Greenberg said the injections are made up of two anesthetics and an inflammatory agent.

According to Greenberg, the inflammatory agent tells the body there is an area that needs repair. The body then sends white blood cells to help remove debris from the area and repair damaged tissue, tendons and ligaments. Gagne underwent weekly treatments throughout the spring.

"He's completely pain-free," Greenberg said. "He can now track the puck with no problems and his balance is perfect."

Read this earlier today on delawareonline...Sounds like some good news on Simon..

If the Flyers could get something good for Gagne I wouldn't be against tradeing him. I don't want to go through another Lindros/Primeau situation agian.

i wouldn't trade Gags. he is a flyer, has been since the beginning. gagne and richie would probably be the two guys i would never trade off the team.

Exactly how I feel bro. Symptom free doesn't mean it won't happen again. Once guys are prone to these things it doesn't tend to go away.

r u a doctor? If so, is it proven that these things don't go away? Or is it maybe a possibility that some of our medicine and treatments have advanced since Lindros, and that even on top of that Lindros and other former Flyers with concussion issues did not take enough time out. Either way we will see.

r u a doctor? If so, is it proven that these things don't go away? Or is it maybe a possibility that some of our medicine and treatments have advanced since Lindros, and that even on top of that Lindros and other former Flyers with concussion issues did not take enough time out. Either way we will see.

He doesn't have to be a doctor to see that every player that had a concussion becomes more and more prone with every one. Only a fool would think that Gagne's never going to have another. The problem is how serious his next one will be.

He could never have a serious one again or he could be one hit away from retirement. NO ONE knows, but with that in mind, if they could trade him for good value, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He doesn't have to be a doctor to see that every player that had a concussion becomes more and more prone with every one. Only a fool would think that Gagne's never going to have another. The problem is how serious his next one will be.

He could never have a serious one again or he could be one hit away from retirement. NO ONE knows, but with that in mind, if they could trade him for good value, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He doesn't have to be a doctor to see that every player that had a concussion becomes more and more prone with every one. Only a fool would think that Gagne's never going to have another. The problem is how serious his next one will be.

He could never have a serious one again or he could be one hit away from retirement. NO ONE knows, but with that in mind, if they could trade him for good value, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Actually, I know a fair amount about concussions having had one in the past. The main difference is that Gagne was treated completely differently than past Flyers in terms of rest and care. Advances have been made in the past 4 years in treating athletic concussions and most of the new treatment suggestions were followed with Gagne. The only thing that wasn't was having him come back to try to play in less than 6 months after a severe concussion. Otherwise, Gagne was given a much better chance at having a clean slate than both Primeau and Lindros. Like I said, I know a fair amount, but I'm not an expert in the field. But there is a much higher chance that Gagne returns in full health than anyone else in the past. I know it's hard to swallow considering what the Flyers have gone through in the past decade, but there is reason to be more optimistic this time.

I have had a concussion in the past as well, and read as much as I can about them and the advances they have made in recent years.

Gagne may have a better chance at a clean slate than the others, but its still only a chance.

I'm in no hurry to move Gagne out of Philly, but if they could get a good deal, I think they should take it. I don't think any GM in his right mind would offer anything for him now anyway, maybe around the trade deadline though.

I agree with all of that. But if Gagne has proven his durability by the deadline and is producing like he has, I would never trade him.

speaking of the blue line......is this the last year we have to suffer with watching that 10 toed sloth hatcher??????he frustrates the **** outta me......he was soley responsible for several of filly`s 1 or2 goal game losses.......which were huge coming down the stretch.i don`t think we would have made the playoffs if hatcher didn`t get injured.

speaking of the blue line......is this the last year we have to suffer with watching that 10 toed sloth hatcher??????he frustrates the **** outta me......he was soley responsible for several of filly`s 1 or2 goal game losses.......which were huge coming down the stretch.i don`t think we would have made the playoffs if hatcher didn`t get injured.

I won't even respond to that.

speaking of the blue line......is this the last year we have to suffer with watching that 10 toed sloth hatcher??????he frustrates the **** outta me......he was soley responsible for several of filly`s 1 or2 goal game losses.......which were huge coming down the stretch.i don`t think we would have made the playoffs if hatcher didn`t get injured.

You obviously didn't watch him play in the playoffs, did you? Let alone watch him play in the regular season. They wouldn't have gotten where they got in the playoffs if it weren't for him stepping up and covering the loss of Timo and Coburn. Hatcher was very rarely, if at all, solely responsible for Flyers 1 or 2 goal game losses.

Filly?

You just did. sort of.

hey all, this is my first post but ive been checking out the boards for a while now just looking at what people have to say, but anyway my thought on trading gagne...if he proves he can still score and can take hits i say trade him at the deadline. With talent like Giroux and JvR coming up very soon gagne can easily be replaced for another 40 goal scorer in either of those two. If we could trade gagne and one of our dmen (jones/kukkonen) at the deadline for a top four defenseman and maybe some high draft picks i think it would be a good decision. Maybe even a good goalie prospect as we lack that in our system. the realist is right when he said when players sustain injuries such as concussions, they are much more prone to getting those injuries again, i know from experience, and it can be worse the second time around. If the flyers can get some value out of gagne if he proves useful before something bad happens again to him, id be all for trading him.

I don't quite understand this comment. I mean, isn't a big goal scoring, concussion-free Gagne (like the old Simon) what we want?! So why trade?

It proves that he is worth something good in return. Like i said, we have Giroux and JvR coming up who can put up the same points as gagne does scoring wise very soon. If gagne proves he can still score and take hits, get something good in return for him before he gets injured again, and you still have people who can produce in giroux and jvr.

I can see where you're coming from, but Gagne is one of the best two-way players in the game at the moment. Giroux and JvR are coming up I agree, but Giroux will be in his first season, and JvR is at least 2 years away from competing in the NHL.

Giroux and JvR are not for sure scorers in the NHL. At the moment, they are unproven, they could fail but obviously we don't want that to happen which means it cannot be rushed. I say we hold on to Gagne. We're not going to get anyone better if we trade.

Two-way, 40 goal-scorers are not easily replaceable, I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that they are.

There's no guarantee that JVR or Giroux will amount to anything in the NHL. I wouldn't go gutting the line-up to make room for players who may or may not fulfill expectations. A healthy Simon Gagne is arguably the best player on the team.

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JVR or Giroux could end up being busts.

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JVR or Giroux could end up being busts.

True, i guess im just getting a little ahead of myself lol...just excited for the great talent coming up.

Glad we do have some good talent in the system (a goalie would be nice though). I just don't want to place to much pressure/expectation on rookies. Players who are given time to develop are better off in the long run.

Remember Alexandre Daigle? He was supposed to be the new Wayne Gretsky. He ended up being the new Gord Kluzak.

There's no guarantee that JVR or Giroux will amount to anything in the NHL. I wouldn't go gutting the line-up to make room for players who may or may not fulfill expectations. A healthy Simon Gagne is arguably the best player on the team.

I don't quite understand this comment. I mean, isn't a big goal scoring, concussion-free Gagne (like the old Simon) what we want?! So why trade?

If you look at what this team needs, I think that's where he/she came up with the trade for a top 4 defender proposal.

Would you trade Gagne for a top 4 D-man?

I'd strongly consider it yeah. Depends on who it is and what style of player they are.

Preferably to a Western team? Wouldn't want him coming back to haunt us...

I personally wouldn't want Gagne to leave.

Would you trade Gagne for a top 4 D-man?