Don't go insulting the hockey knowledge of the posters on this board. I've posted here a long time. Firstly because I like the Flyers, but I've stayed because regular posters here are some of the most intelligent hockey fans going (and not just about their own team). I actually post/read this message board more so than the Oilers message board.



What kind of Oilers fan are you when you don't even know the jerseys are dark blue and not black I agree both new designs are crap.


As for the trade proposal... you are correct in suggesting you are not good at trade ideas. Firstly, the Flyers would not consider trading Gagne at this point. If he doesn't recuperate well and doesn't live up to expectations by say trade deadline/end of season maybe. The idea of trading Penner or Cogliano is ridiculous from an Oilers perspective. Penner showed signs last year of why they wanted him to begin with. I see lots of potential for him to develop into a real good power forward, he's young and needs some time to develop and find a consistent game. As for Cogliano, are you nuts... trade away one of our premier young guns with nothing but upside potential. Look what he did in his rookie season along with Gagner and Nilsson.

I like the Oilers roster just the way it is going into the season. I admit I do see the potential need for a sniper to play with Hemsky but time will tell. Lots of changes and the need to see how players chemistry works this year.

As for the Flyers and Gagne.... if he comes back and plays like he can... the Briere/Gagner combination could be lethal. They proved they have chemistry together on the ice last season.

You're cool, OilerFan. Just thought I'd point that out.

I'll second that!

I like your sig.

All good points. Penner came of age in Anaheim. When he started using his size more, he started to realize his potential. I think he had a sketchy work ethic early on, but seems to have found his purpose. Larger players usually hit their prime a year or two later than regular players (barring injury of course). As for Cogliano, I actually saw him play for Team Ontario a few years ago and he was very impressive. He was also an important "cog" in both of Canada's WJC runs. I don't see his size as a detriment because he plays beyond it. When I saw him, he looked like a young Pavel Bure. I honestly wouldn't part with either.

Thanks but I just stated the facts and the truth!

Are you all right? I realize they are not black I said that by accident but I'm talking about the style. I don't think it is that ridiculous to trade penner or cogliano. I feel that getting simon gagne would be great for the franchise and he would have great chemistry with hemsky and Sam Gagner. To get a proven 40 goal scorer I would trade either of them.

But seriously are you all right? You seem a little ticked off. I didn't mean to insult anyone I just figured that not everybody has Center ice. It is pretty expensive(well not that expensive but it is for me)

And here is the ravens jersey in case you havent seen it:http://image.bizrate.com/resize?sq=160&uid=718184730&mid=141021

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i would do that trade, i'm not gags biggest fan and his injuries concern me. Cogliano has huge upside, the defenseman prospect you have (i forget his name, something really french) is supposed to have loads of potential, and draft picks are always good to have. so something like that for gags would really benefit us IMO.

I sure am Besides the "posting" limit question... how do people get to be advanced member ratings with under 200 posts????

If you meant blue then say blue or use the edit button.... you wrote it not me.

No doubt I also like Gagne but as I stated I wouldn't trade those assets for him at this point in time. The Flyers would not consider trading Gagne at this point in time either. You are entitled to your opinion but we are also entitled to disagree with you -- which I do.

Yes, I was ticked off. I was ticked off because you DID offend some posters on this board. I was doubly ticked off because you claim to be a fellow Oilers fan and I won't put up with same insulting anyone (even just one or two) on this board. Especially a newbie with rep on this board. Earn your stripes here then you are allowed some latitude.

I've seen the Ravens jersey. I was public knowledge that Laforge tried to redesign the Oilers new jerseys based on it -- nothing new there.

I would make that trade in a heart beat. I like those home jersey. I don't think I offended anyone but sorry if I did.

You're fine...don't worry about it. Welcome to the boards (belated i know).

If the Flyers traded Gagne they probably wouldn't have any interest in Penner or Cogs because the Flyers are fine at forward depth. They need defense above all else. I don't think the Oilers and Flyers would be an ideal match at this point.

Meh..... I guess. The oilers don't have much depth at D either.

Id take Rolo for Gagne.

Maybe Rolo + a massage table for Gagne, but not straight up.

i wouldnt do that...roloson is 38 years old. We need a young goalie with good potential...not a guy whose probably gonna retire in a couple seasons.

Spa grade?



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lol, sarcasim friends.

I think he was joking (I hope).


+ the West Edmonton Mall + a few barrels of oil.

oh lol...well kinda hard to tell sarcasm without any hints towards it

It Roli not Rolo. Roli the Goalie. You know kinda like Ollie the Goalie(Olaf Kolzig). But yeah Dwayne is clearly washed up. Great guy though.

I called him Rolo while he was in Minnesota, he's still Rolo to me.

I agree considering the immediate needs of both teams. Flyers would want someone the calibre of Souray, Visnovsky, Gilbert at this point in time for Gagne (who the Oilers would not likely give up at this point). Trouble is, no one at this point knows how Gagne is going to bounce back after his concussions. If he doesn't come back as expected they may try and move him in Feb and dump his 5.2M salary then they would probably consider a forward for forward trade.



We have lots of depth at D in some real good prospects, just not NHL ready D-men and that's what Philly needs.

That's what is known as very dry humor. So dry only 1 person who read that knew you were joking.

I don't know. Commodities trading for hockey players is tricky business. On a Tuesday, 3 barrels of oil might fetch a Gagne, but on Wednesday it might only be worth an Upshall and a 6th round draft pick.

It's a risk you have to take if you're the GM. Sometimes you have to face tough choices, such as oil speculation, when you're making trades. It's part of the job.

I knew he was joking as well, Brophy's no fool

When he came back to minnesota the year after the cup run people were chanting roli. I assumed it's always been his nickname.

We need a steel-cage grudge match to resolve this nickname dispute!

How about this...

In Edmonton its definitely "Roli"
In Minnesota it can be "Rolo"

D-Roll anyone?

I'm feeling that one

I'm always down for that but of course it would be easier to just look at his mask.

This one?

Yeah that one.

yup its pretty straight forward right there

Or that one. I wasn't arguing what his nickname is or isn't/was or wasn't, I merely said he is Rolo to me.

That settles it. His nickname is "WE'TER"

I would argue edmonton has better prospects in Petry Chorney and Wild. I meant actual nhl defenseman. Not prospects.

I think I became an advanced member at like 30 posts or something rediculous like that.

The admins arent ever here to change the rules.

I dont think Simon comes aviable ever really, he's a Flyer for life, even though he has had a consussion, he is still capable of 40 goals, regardless of who he plays with as he showed during the miserable 06/07 season with no one decent to play with. Simon in full form is easily in the top 10 of pure goal scorers in the leage

I wish we could say that's true. But, the fact remains that no one can say for sure if Gagne will still be the player he was prior to the concussion until Gagne shows us that capability. And he actually suffered two concussions last season. First, the mild concussion, then came back, and suffered the other one that put him out for the season.

Last year it was said by his Dr. that he only had one concussion. He came back too soon and was hit again and the symtoms returned.


"Simon Gagne done for the season? Bruins fans who saw Patrice Bergeron sidelined Oct. 27 by a Grade 3 concussion delivered by Flyer defenseman Randy Jones won't feel much empathy for the talented Flyer forward. But Gagne learned last week that he'll have to pack it in until next year, and revealed that the consulting doctor, James Kelly in Colorado, informed him that he did not suffer second and third concussions this year. In fact, said Gagne, Kelly told him he suffered only one concussion, on Oct. 24, when nailed by Florida's Jay Bouwmeester. The two other "concussions" were hits that aggravated the original concussion, which never healed."

Which brings up another question. How do the Philadelphia flyers of all teams mistreat a concussion. With Primeau and Lindros having their careers ended because of it how can something like that happen? It's almost surreal that they bring him when they were in the playoffs at the time(I think).

Yeah, I read that at the time, but I don't buy it. When you're hit, see stars, suffer concussion symptoms, then return when those symptoms seem to subside and another hit causes you to again see stars, and have recurring symptoms, chances are you've suffered multiple concussions. But it doesn't matter anyway. It still doesn't change the fact that no one can know if he's capable of returning to his previous form until he shows us he's capable.

You don't know what to expect with Gagne, not because of his skill or potential, but because of the his concussions. You don't know how many games he'll play, this year, or in the same matter for the rest of his career. I like Gagne and I think if he can stay free from concussions he'll return to his old form, but concussions are things you don't play around with, so you never really know.

Exactly. At this point in his career his mind has got to be a little weird and I'm more worried that all these concussions are going to his head. Like what happens if he snaps on ice and just about kills a player! I don't know, I just worry that Gagne will be a danger on ice these days. Like I agree, I really like Gagne as a Flyer fan and as a person but I just worry about his health and start to think that he should hang up the skates for his own well - being.

But I guess Gagne knows his body his best and I trust that he'll know when to stop.