Doesn't buying out his contract count against the cap as well ? I thought that was half the salary .

True. It would only be $1.75 million for one season and would allow us to fit under the cap with our current roster. I think buying him out may be a better option because it's spread out over two seasons.

I guarantee if some team could have Hatch for half price, you would have quite a few teams interested.

That's the interesting question, then: waive him and risk the $1.75 million hit for one year, or buy him out at a $1.17 million hit for 2??

I wouldn't be too sure that teams would be lining up to pay nearly $2M for a defenseman who's knees are shot...

The bottomline is that Hatch has played his last game in a Flyers' jersey. Whether its retirement, LTIR or waivers, he won't be there on opening night. Book it.

how much did smith get from ottawa? they were both banged up last year and play a similar style

Man do I hate the dog days of summer!

I just want October to get here so we can actually WATCH hockey, instead of speculate about what might happen.

The real bottomline? GO GLYERS!

I hear ya, but Hatch's knees are shot. Smith is over-the-hill, but still useful.

If Hatch's knees are as bad as what I've heard, this discussion is a moot point. He will go on LTIR. Honestly, we should all hope that's exactly what happens.

Sure thing, thanks for the help..Nostradamus.

You blew my cover!




I stand by my statement.... BOOK IT!

Thats cool, I think your wrong on all accounts though.

Well except for the part that we should all hope he retires or goes on the LTIR.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Homer say he was certain Hatcher would play in a Flyers uniform again this season but he just wasn't sure when (and I think it was implied for how long)?

That's OK....

If everyone agreed with everything I say, the world would be a very scary place, indeed. BOOK IT!

I'm almost 100% sure that philly will only have to pay half of hatchers salary if he gets claimed on re-entry waivers

I'm also pretty sure that Hatcher has it in his contract that he is not able to be sent down to the minors. The idea that he could even be thought about as moving down to the minors is ridiculous. He's a seasoned vet who has tons of playoff experience. There's not a single chance in heck that he goes down to the Phantoms. Feel free to book that one, too.

When I was a kid, "book it" meant to hurry up and get out of wherever you were, usually on a bicycle. I guess I'm old.

Lol. Well, you are 98 years old.

It does mean that. I have no idea what that guy was trying to say.

I remember that Ottawa Senators Cup clinching game like it was yesterday

"That Guy" (me in case you were wondering) apologizes for using lingo you do not understand. "Book It", for those who may be out of the loop, can also mean "Mark it Down", "Guaranteed", "Take it to the Bank", and so on and so forth.

I could see how one would be confused....

Well, if he has it in his contract that he can't be sent down, then I stand corrected. Care to share a link?

If its not in his contract, the only thing "ridiculous" is making the statement that sending him down can't happen. Seasoned vet, playoff experience or not, if he doesn't fit into the teams' plans, you do what you have to do. The Flyers aren't a Derian Hatcher Appreciation Organization, they're a professional hockey team.

When did everyone suddenly grow so sentimental? I never wanted to put my dog of 16 years "down" either, but he was old and senile and it needed to be done. I cried, I felt bad, and then I moved on.

Hatcher was bashed relentlessly for 2+ years but most Flyers' fans (I wasn't one of them), and now everyone has a guilty conscience about possibly sending him to the minors?

Book it= Bank jargon for approving a loan or permission to approve a loan. It can also mean to schedule something i.e a concert date or appointment. another example would be asking someone to meet you and they reply, "can't I'm booked".

In this instance book it=count on it. or guaranteed.

Back in the day we used the term bookin, i.e. I was running fast, flying,jetting. The slang term book is similar to jet, break, scat, flex,get out of dodge, and roll out.

Hope this was helpful.

I turned 40 this year. I get confused more easily with each passing day.







p.s. I understood from the context what you meant.

Can you buy Hatcher out, take the cap hit of 1.75mil and then sign him to a new contract of .5mil? *theoretically speaking*

Hah! I turn 36 in less than a month...

I may need to go buy some depends soon

No, you can't re-negotiate players contracts.

A stupid rule IMO.

I can get you a deal if you buy bulk

You may just become my new best friend...

I am pretty sure a team cannot re-sign a player that was bought out.

Didn't the Islanders almost do that with Yashin?

i would do it, knuble isn't getting any younger, we have hartnell who can do his job, and Hejda could help our D out.

A year after buying him out. They couldn't re-sign him directly after they bought him out.

It wouldn't work with Hatch anyway since the buyout period is over.

I don't think Hartnell will be able to replace Knuble on the PP.

Hartnell's PP production is overlooked big time. Hartnell scored 10 goals on the 2nd unit in 193:12 minutes of ice time. Knuble scored 15 goals on the first unit in 366:55 minutes. Knuble scoed one every 24.5 minutes of ice time. Hartnell averaged a goal every 19.3 minutes of PP time which would have averaged out to 19 goals if he received Knubles PP time.

Hartnell can be just as effective if not better. He is a fine replacement for Knuble.

Can't state it any better than that...

Not to mention that Hartnell is just about to enter his prime, while Knuble is entering the twilight of his career.

Yes, but that was on Carters line. Briere and Gagne need someone who is good at picking up garbage goals, I havn't seen that out of Hartnell yet.

I am pretty sure that was Hartnell's role in Nashville. I think he can get the job done. He is due to have a real breakout year sooner than later.

I hope its this season, but I have my doubts at the moment.

Don't you remember the highlight vids of Hartnell when he came over? That was the 1st thing I noticed, he picked up garbage in front just like Knuble. I actually thought he would help our PP a lot more than he did. I think about half of his goals were PP goals his last year in Nashville.

Hartnell/

Year Goals PP
06 25 10
07 22 10
08 24 10

Edit/ 64 games played in 07'

Knuble age 36/ 56 career PP goals
Hartnell age 26/ 40 career PP goals

Knuble is better in front of the net. Regardless of the PP. So instead of asking how are we going to replace Knuble on the PP. I ask who is going to replace him in front of the net? Hartnell? Haven't seem him lately on the part of the ice.

What Knuble does is very important to this teams scoring, Both PP and Even.

Losing Umberger makes losing Knuble a little more difficult. Umberger was becoming Knuble's heir to the front of the net. Like FlyersGirl said, Hartnell definitely has that ability, but hasn't been utilized in that role here, yet.

i think hartnell is plenty capable of filling knubles spot. look at flyersgirl's stat, plus hartnell is younger and has more upside, he might be inconsistent, but i think with time that could fix itself.

7 years isn't enough time to grow? Just sayin.

To be fair to Hartnell, I'm pretty sure the Flyers power play has always been better than Nashville's, by a fair margin too.

I would make this deal in a second

How can he not utilize that roll if he hasnt been put there yet? Next season if they do throw him in front of the net id expect more goals from Hartnell. He is a pimp with garbage goals.

A mid 30's vet who can still bang in 30 goals a season is wanted. Someone will take Knuble. With a team that has so much depth at forward they could afford to lose someone like Knuble. It sucks but its the nature of the beast.

If you go to arbitration with Nate Guenin you can still buy out hatcher. Minnesota did something similar.

I heard about this a while ago, and I don't really want this. I don't know much about Hejda, but if we were to deal Knuble I think we can get something better. I had a bit too much time on my hands though and dreamt up another trade with Columbus. With the additions of Tyutin, Bäckman and Commodore plus that Russel kid a year older, Columbus might be willing to part with Klesla. I know this is silly, but I just wanted to see if other people think it's a realistic proposal. One of the reasons why I'll never become a NHL gm is that I generally suck at these things.

To Clb
Knuble
Jones
Nodl

To Flyers
Klesla
Malhotra

This would save us 2.8 million, and would put us a healthy margin under the cap with Hatcher on the LTIR, and just under it with Hatcher cleared to play (if I have the correct numbers, not entirely sure of that).

We could line up something like this:
Hartnell - Richards - Lupul
Gagné - Brière - Upshall
Giroux - Carter - Downie
Metropolit - Malhotra - Asham
Cote

Timonen - Coburn
Klesla - Eminger
Parent - Väänäänän
Kukkonen

If Giroux or Downie isn't ready for the NHL yet, both Metropolit and Malhotra could function as a third line center and one of Carter and Brière can be moved to the wing, creating a more traditional third checking line with two of Hartnell, Upshall, Downie as wingers. Our PP would hurt a bit from this trade, but we would improve in our own end however and should have one of the best PK lineups.

This thread was dead and you had to bring it back to life

I wouldn't do it. Klesla is so overrated it makes my head hurt. I'd rather have Hejda and even Hejda wouldn't be worth Knuble IMO.