Per Columbis Dispatch: Knuble for Hejda and a 4th

This was just posted in the offseason rumors thread. I put together some info I found on Hejda. You can view it here (in that thread.)

Very interesting. And I know it's exciting to find a juicy rumor, but please look around before you start a thread. No big deal. http://forums.philadelphiaflyers.com/index...st&p=276593

I can't image that - unless it is purely a salary dump by Homer.

Hejda is nothing better that a career minor leaguer and a 4th does not seem enough for someone of Noobs quality.

However, if Nick Kyprios announced it, there must be something behind it. The Canadian sports guys usually have pretty good contacts and get the scoop on deals pretty quickly.

So sorrrrrrrrrrrry

rj umberger started this rumor

Hahahahaha. Funniest thing I've read all day.

I don't like that trade too much

Doesn't make any sense.

Salary dumb but Knuble should be worth more

*Går det att hejda detta byte?*

Edit: Hejda's contract is 2mil? That's not much of a salary dump..

Yes, I would definitely expect more for Knuble. You would only get good value for him if you traded him during the season to a team trying to make the push. He's too old for a good off-season deal.

What did you just say about my mom?

That her favoUrite number is 28

why? do you know anything about jan hedja? he was arguably the blue jackets best defender last year with 13 assists and a +20 rating in 81 games, and he consistently averaged over 20 min of ice time, i think that this guy would be a top 4 defender on our team and be an asset

hes a solid player eric, they would still be dumping a little over a mill i think

He's better than a career minor leaguer. Sorry. He's a solid defensive defenseman. Has good size, uses it well, and can skate very well for his size. Plus the fact that he makes less than Knuble, and is signed for the next three years at his salary(2mil). If Holmgren's able to get this deal done, and get something for an aging Knuble who's going to be a UFA after next season, I have no problem with the deal.

I like Knuble, realize what he brings to the team, and don't want to lose him. But Hejda would sure up the second defensive pairing well. I think he'd be a nice style defenseman to have with Jonesy on the 2nd d pairing. And if this deal is done, it's probably a strong indication that Hatcher won't be capable of playing another game. And to get Hejda and a pick for Knuble would be a good deal, imo.

I think it's a little under a mil.

Now I have to just accept the fact that JBo won't be coming to Philly. Sigh. People who hated these rumors, you can officially rejoice now.

this deal isnt done yet.....

I'd take Hejda over Bouwmeester.

Ok, you can unofficially rejoice now... official rejoicing date tba.

Knuble

+20 on a non playoff team? Sold!

Losing Knuble would suck, but it would be easier to pick up a forward during the season (if we have injury problems), than a solid SOLID D man.

CBJ fans considered Hedja to be their best defenseman which isn't saying much since they suck. I would not like this deal at all if it were to occur. Since it's Kypreos, I don't see it happening.

Yeah, I know you're not the biggest JBo fan. Hejda is clearly the better defensive player of the two but he only has one career NHL goal and probably won't get too many more. Bouwmeester puts up impressive numbers and he's about five years younger. Of course, Bouwmeester would cost a lot more, though...

It would also mean that Eminger or Vaananen (I would guess Vaananen) would be starting the season with the Phantoms.

Correct. $800,000 to be exact. Knuble at 2.8 cap hit. Hejda at 2 mil cap hit. And again, Hejda is signed at that price for the next three years.

hey i was one of of those guys that liked the bouwie roumors

If he has comparable years to last year, he'll be an absolute steal at that price for the next few seasons.

Who wouldn't? You would have to give up a lot more for Bouwmeester though.

You noticed?


We currently have 3 defensemen signed that are expected to contribute to the offense (not even counting Eminger, who's still a bit of a ?). Our difficulty last season was supporting Biron, not scoring goals. At 1/3 of the price, and with better defensive skills, I'll take Hejda without a pause.

Can't say I agree there. First, neither of them has a two-way contract, so they'd need to clear waivers. And, imo, neither of them will clear waivers. I see it as Eminger, Vaananen and Kukks platoon the 3rd d pairing and they carry 7 dmen this season. Obviously, barring another deal in the works. What it probably means is Parent starts with the Phantoms since he has the two-way deal.

You're right. I was thinking financially wasn't possible. But with Hatcher out of the equation, it is.

^^This.


This also makes very good sense.


But we're not jumping the gun, right?

Too much is riding on Hatcher's status this season. None of this is possible if he doesn't make LTIR, or doesn't get bought out.

No jumping the gun on my part. Simply speculation. But this deal makes very good sense to me. I really believe Hejda can compliment Jonesy very well in a 2nd d pairing. And again, as I said, I strongly believe that if this deal is being considered by Holmgren, it means they know something more about Hatcher than has been publically released. Meaning, he's not coming back, and will be on LTIR for the full season.

I did notice. Heh.

I'm coming around on this. It takes me a while to wrap my mind around something I'm not anticipating, especially when I become obsessed with something else. I'm getting there, though...

As a I said in my last comment, he's a steal at that price if he's able to sustain his play from last year. All I know about Hejda is what I read. To whom could he be compared?

So, who do we have on D now (assuming this trade is happening)? Timonen, Coburn, Hatcher, Jones, Hejda, Eminger, Vaananen, Kukkonen. Am I missing anyone? Is it safe to assume Kukkonen will probably not even suit up for (m)any games? Assuming Hatch is on LTIR, Jones and Hejda would seem like a pretty natural second pair, right?

If only we could include giving CBJ Rathje

Why? Who cares about Rathje? He's only costing the team a pay check. And they can afford it. Money isn't a problem for the Flyers. The cap is. He's not coming off LTIR, so he doesn't count towards the cap hit. And every team in the league knows he's not going to be capable of playing again. Why even worry about him?

Nah, just messin' with ya...between this and waiting for the Phils to make a move...

Could be interesting. Though I'd be sad to lose Knuble.

Lol. You mean waiting for the Phils to choke? Doh! Heh.

But seriously, it's only a matter of time. Sorry, no offense meant to Phillies fans.

The people critcizing Hejda clearly knows nothing about him. He is a legit second pairing dman and is extremely underrated. He would be better than any defenseman on our team not named Timonen or Coburn. I would do this deal in a nanosecond. I doubt Columbus does this deal, though.

I hate trying to compare two players directly, but I would say Volchenkov with a little less hitting and a little more puck moving.

Unless Coburn is ready to quarterback his own pairing, I'd say Timonen - Coburn, Hejda - Jones, Eminger - Vaananen (we'd have Kukkonen, Parent, Curry, Ramholt, Ratchuk, and Syvret available to fill holes I would guess).

Good observation. What sense does it make for them to go for Knuble right now? If they were a contender with need for a little extra PP scoring maybe, but they're not that.

I think they're looking to get Tarnstrom back, since he hasn't gotten other offers. And that would give them 8 dmen with 1-way contracts if they do that. Plus, they are in DEEP need of wingers that are capable NHL forwards.

Edit: Or maybe I'm wrong, if Tarnstrom signed in Sweden.

I think the team was so close to the playoffs for the first time last year and, at this point, they're probably a little desperate to do anything to give themselves that push. Perhaps they're overconfident that Leclaire and Norrena can stand on their heads? I don't know. They added some good offensive pieces (Huselius, Umberger, maybe Knuble) as well some depth players (Torres, Pecca last year) and some defensive help (Commodore, Backman, Tyutin.)

They've made a ton of moves recently and, my guess is, they're probably looking to bolster their offense more at the expense of their d. Knuble would help their PP a ton. With the other guys they've added, they may consider themselves to be legit playoff contenders if they get Knuble too.

I guess they are tired of sucking.

side note: This is my 1000th post

Congrats on post 1k!

I'm tired of them sucking and I don't even really like them.

it would suck to lose knuble but in the end this looks like a real good deal. even if he goes we still have 6 players who should hit
20+ goals

We all get attached to certain players and hate to see them traded (Umberger anyone?). I'm kind of like that with Knuble. He's been very consistent over the years and we don't really have another guy like him. We'd lose some size up front with this deal. If you look at the stats, we're not all that big in the forward ranks as it is, even with Knuble.

On the other hand, we haven't won anything with him, and if he can be traded for a D-man who puts us over the top.. well, we have to do what needs to be done. I'd hate to see him banished to Columbus, but I guess he's better off than the poor B@stard who ands up going to the panthers for Bouwmeester