Flyers , Shannahan, and Bouwmeester Love Triangle

meh. i would fall over and die if we got Bouwmeester. Shannahan would be nice to have also, but these moves would require alot of salary dumping and the only obvious players to dump would be Knuble, Rathje, and Hatcher. problem is how and where would we dump Rathje and Hatcher. nobody would want either of them.

Rathje doesn't matter at all really. And Florida wouldn't trade their franchise player for Hatcher and Knuble, they would want a legit scorer out of it. Carter and Jones for Bouwmeester would make me happy.

Knuble did put up 30 Goals last season?

spector hockey is a load of BS anyway, its worse than hockeybuzz.

He's a power play specialist. I think they want a scorer who can make things happen 5-5. Besides, they lack a number one center and Carter fits that better then Knuble

Even if we were somehow able to trade for Bouwmeester, it would be extremely difficult for us to resign him

Knuble is good 5 on 5. He makes sh*t happen, Carter would be ideal for them though.

Carter scored more points and goals 5-5 then Knuble
Carter have much more potential then Knuble
Carter's salary needs to get dumped if we are going to afford Bouwmeester, trading Knuble would force us to dump another forward.

No way we're getting rid of Carter. Carter and Jones for Bouwmeester is just dumb.

more on Shanahan and Bouwmeester http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/59811

Im not arguing with you dude. I could careless about this whole situation. I don't really care for Bouwmeester to much, it would be a great addition, but a player who is going to push for Briere type money the Flyers should pass on unless they trade Briere + Jones for Bouwmeester which would be freaking amazing...

not going to happen though.

Carter AND Jones is too much. I wouldn't want to trade Carter either way.

Nah Spector is better than Eklund, IMO. He doesn't make things up like Eklund. He reports news from legit news sources and adds his own opinions which are usually well-thought out.



I would do backflips of they pulled off that deal, but Briere wouldn't waive his NMC.

ya but to let carter go to give us a solid d corp. would not be to bad for the fact that we have young players that are coming up and could replace carter

If that trade happended I would commit suicide and die happy, well almost

Not gonna happen with the NMC though *as FG stated*

What young centers do they have that could replace Carter? I'd love to see you state some names. But none of them that you mention will be capable centers that have the potential that Carter does.

I would love to get rid of Jones and his contract if we could get Boumeester in return. The Jones deal is the worst deal Homer has made since becoming GM by far. The problem is finding someone to package with Jones. I would say Knuble but I doubt a team like Florida would want Knuble due to his age and expiring contract (in a year). Maybe Upshall?

I don't think Jones and Upshall is enough for Florida to give up Boumeester and wouldn't clear the cap space anyway.

Briere even up would be perfect, but as Nina said, he probably wouldn't waive his NMC.

I think Lupul and Emminger for Boumeester.

we have jvr coming up in the next year

JVR is a LW not a center.

here is a link to flyers site that says he plays both

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=3...mp;service=page

if this is wrong then my bad but it says he plays center

We have Briere and Richards looked up long term, so we are in no need for scoring centers really. We need checking line type of centers more and Metropolit is one and Downie could very well center a third line IMO.

No way I would trade briere and jones for for bouwmeester!!! Carter and jones is also way to much for him. Carter and Briere are both proven players, yes they may be over paid, but who is going to beat them out of a roster spot that is on our team right now...I sure as **** know that Giroux and JVR can't do it yet. If we still had umberger, it would be a different story becuase we would have a little bit of flexibility.(Excluding Briere)

Metopolit is old, and won't be in the league to much longer...JBO will be looking for cambell type money, and it would cost us players plus top prospects, and draft picks as well.

It does list him as C/LW, but I think he is mainly a LW.

I think it would be not so hard to replace Metropolit after this year..

And I don't know why it would cost us prospects and draft picks if we traded Bouwmeester for Carter and Jones

Becuase no way in the world are we going to trade Carter...

I agree it was a bad deal, but if it would have went to arbitration, it would have been worse.

i still think there is no way we can acquire bouwmeester but thats just my thoughts, i would love for it to happen but its a real long shot

Yeah, I don't know why he's listed as a C/LW there, because I don't believe he's ever played center at all in his career. The Flyers don't have much depth at center currently. I think that will be one thing they address in next year's draft.


Completely agree there.

Can't we just be satisfied with the team we have on paper now??? We have a couple of d-man who have not played a game in a Flyers jersey yet; why are we looking for upgrades already. I understand that Bowie has a lot of potential, but getting rid of Carter??? He's not worth that. Our offense is becoming more and more thin as we let go of players. Players like Downie and Giroux and JVR are not guaranteed to step up and become a sudden-impact player. And if you ask me, the upcoming 2-4 years would be our prime time to make a run.

I think it's time to forget about Bouwmeester............

Yes, and start thinking about Weber or Suter as the Preds may be willing to talk now that they lost Radulov

I can only speak for myself, but I am not happy with what has been done so far about the defense. I think that was the main concern area for this offseason and not much was done about it. We lost a proven player in Smith and Hatcher's future is uncertain. We picked up three unproven players, and grossly overpaid Jones. As I see it right now, the D took a step in the wrong direction.

First off, we extended Carter and Lupul, so I wouldn't call this off-season a complete disaster. Not to belittle anyone's intelligence, but I still feel that people still have last year's off-season fresh in their head, and are only feeling let down in comparison to last year. That's just me though. On to the defense.............

I don't believe the Defense took a step back. Hatcher and Smith are great players, and I am not excited about losing them, but there is a good aspect to all of this. We have Eminger and Vaan, whom both seem to have some potential. In addition, they are not trade-deadline acquisitions. They will be playing in training camp, pre-season, and hopefully every regular-season game. There is plenty of opportunity for these players to learn their role on our team and gel with the rest of the roster. And even if one of these players do not pan out, Hatcher will probably be returning towards the end of the season, and his playoff warrior attitude will be needed.

In addition, if Eminger and Vaan don't pan out, the Flyers can still be a player during the trade dead-line.

I didn't say the offseason was a complete disaster, and you can't compare this offseason to last years. Homer spent all his money last year.

To the defense, experience is more valuable than potential to a team that was in the conference finals looking to make the next step. A non playoff team looks more for potential.

I hope your right about Emminger and Vaananen, but at this point I'm sticking with they took a step backwards.

They're not giving up Lupul or Eminger.

You never know

There is no way on God's Earth that they are trading a young player with tons of upside that they just signed. I doubt we'll see Eminger traded because, 1) they just got him, and 2) I don't think he is a deal maker/breaker.

Sorry, I didn't realize you are in the offices discussing these things with Homer

That's okay, it's just common sense.

Not really, but if thats the way you see it, thats ok.

Yeah, actually it is. Why you are continuing with this pointless back-and-forth I really don't know.

If Florida wanted Eminger for some ungodly reason the Flyers would certainly deal him because he is a marginal piece that can easily be replaced. Of course they won't be interested him unless it is as a throw in.

Right that's pretty much what I meant by #2. I don't think he would make or break any deal. Thinking back on it maybe just acquiring him does not matter if you're talking about getting a guy like Boumeester. But either way, Eminger would not be included in a trade like this.

They want Carter.

http://hockeyconnected.blogspot.com/2008/0...od-as-gone.html

*UPDATE*
Sources are telling HockeyConnected that the flyers are putting together an offer for Bouwmeester that would send Knuble, Upshall or Downie plus a pick.
*UPDATE*
just got off the phone with my Florida source and he is telling me that any deal would have to include Carter + to even be considered.
This is in his words "Martin wants an impact player in return and will not consider anything but an impact player".

DO NOT GIVE THEM CARTER.

I repeat:

DO NOT give them Carter. Guh. This is tiresome

JvR and one of our other prospective Dmen we picked up this year possibly a draft pick as the kicker in along with em for Bouwmeester

love JvR but to get good prospects u gotta trade good prospects and Bouwmeester fits us better

So it would be Carter...plus one of those three....plus a pick?

Thats retarted.

im not so sure id trust a source that spells philly like philli and downie like downey, but thats just me, and i would have to agree with steely dan im not to high on giving up carter, what made our team able to back through those tough times last year was our scoring depth, giving up carter would really compromise the strongest part of out team

So they think they can rob us? Seriously, do they think Holmgren is that stupid? I say if that's truly their stance, then just stop talking to them. Carter is not going anywhere, and he shouldn't be.