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Brian
QUOTE (lupulisnastyy @ Jul 28 2008, 01:12 AM) *
They want Carter.

http://hockeyconnected.blogspot.com/2008/0...od-as-gone.html

*UPDATE*
Sources are telling HockeyConnected that the flyers are putting together an offer for Bouwmeester that would send Knuble, Upshall or Downie plus a pick.
*UPDATE*
just got off the phone with my Florida source and he is telling me that any deal would have to include Carter + to even be considered.
This is in his words "Martin wants an impact player in return and will not consider anything but an impact player".


ROFL
goflyers412
QUOTE (Phifly10 @ Jul 28 2008, 10:37 AM) *
im not so sure id trust a source that spells philly like philli and downie like downey, but thats just me, and i would have to agree with steely dan im not to high on giving up carter, what made our team able to back through those tough times last year was our scoring depth, giving up carter would really compromise the strongest part of out team

Yeah he did spell Downie wrong but for whatever reasons, a lot of Canadians say "Philli" instead of "Philly", and I would guess that this guy is Canadian.
Phifly10
i would do knuble, downie and a 1st rounder, thats a steal IMO
Brian
Probably nothing will happen
FlyersFanTN
Nah guhnna do it...

Wouldnt be prudent at this juncture....

/too obscure for the young'ns?
mchrissy77
QUOTE (lupulisnastyy @ Jul 28 2008, 01:12 AM) *
They want Carter.

http://hockeyconnected.blogspot.com/2008/0...od-as-gone.html

*UPDATE*
Sources are telling HockeyConnected that the flyers are putting together an offer for Bouwmeester that would send Knuble, Upshall or Downie plus a pick.
*UPDATE*
just got off the phone with my Florida source and he is telling me that any deal would have to include Carter + to even be considered.
This is in his words "Martin wants an impact player in return and will not consider anything but an impact player".


I can understand Martin wanting an impact player, but give me a break. He's painted himself into a corner by waiting as long as he has, and now he's trying to play hardball. Florida has no leverage here, I say sit pat on this, the longer it goes on, the better.

I'd rather give them Briere than Carter anyway.... if Danny would let us of course rolleyes.gif .

phantomflyer
We can now put the Boumeester rumors to rest...The Florida Panthers just re-signed him to a one-year deal. See nhl.com for details!
dtxaxp
SUNRISE, Fla. – Florida Panthers General Manager Jacques Martin announced today that club has agreed to terms on a one year deal with defenseman Jay Bouwmeester.

Bouwmeester, 24, played in all 82 games with the Panthers last season recording a career high 15 goals, while ranking first in the National Hockey League with 27:28 of ice time per game. The 6-foot-4, 215-pound blueliner has played in all 82 games for the Cats in each of his last three seasons. For his NHL career, he has played in 389 games, all with Florida, scoring 38 goals with 123 assists and 261 PIM.

tom174
good cause im tired of reading these ridiculous trade suggestions
Brian
QUOTE (tom174 @ Jul 28 2008, 12:53 PM) *
good cause im tired of reading these ridiculous trade suggestions


Order of off season annoyances:

1. Brett Favre
2. Mats Sundin
3. Mr Meester
jeff
QUOTE (tom174 @ Jul 28 2008, 12:53 PM) *
good cause im tired of reading these ridiculous trade suggestions


SAME!!!

"Let's trade Briere, Richards, Lupul, Upshall, Hartnell, Knuble, JVR, and a couple of picks for him"

Ok that was a little bit of an exaggeration but you know what I mean tongue.gif
SteelyDan
Wooohoooo!!! Now let's move forward with the team we have
propp16
QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 28 2008, 12:54 PM) *
Order of off season annoyances:

2. Mats Sundin
3. Mr Meester


It's the off season. There isn't a ton to talk about. Focusing in on a few big rumors is going to happen.
Brian
QUOTE (propp16 @ Jul 28 2008, 01:00 PM) *
It's the off season. There isn't a ton to talk about. Focusing in on a few big rumors is going to happen.


True but it's annoying when you can't avoid them, or anything for that matter.
Bernie1
well now i'm seeing that Spectors thinks that Bouwmeester signed a one year, $4.8 million contract back in Florida and that is well under the $5.5 he expected to receive through arbitration.


sign and trade, anyone? wink.gif
SteelyDan
I think these never-ending rumors are gonna force me to put on my Bouwmeester shirt and hat, and cheer his arrival to Philly.........Fine.
FlyerGuy
QUOTE (Bernie1 @ Jul 28 2008, 12:10 PM) *
well now i'm seeing that Spectors thinks that Bouwmeester signed a one year, $4.8 million contract back in Florida and that is well under the $5.5 he expected to receive through arbitration.


sign and trade, anyone? wink.gif



Yeah, a one year deal. To me that seems even more likely that he'll get traded. Obviously he's not a part of their future.
Brophy
Im glad this non sense is over.
propp16
What makes this all really funny is that Eklund had an article about the Flyers being in on JBo a few hours ago. Ha.

Link
FlyersFanTN
eklund.....wrong???? HOW DARE YOU!!!
ericmedc
It's funny how everyone says the rumours will end becasue of this when this was pretty much expected. He signed a one year deal that will make him UFA next season, the Panthers have no chance keeping him and will likely trade him during the deadline or loose him for nothing
mchrissy77
QUOTE (ericmedc @ Jul 28 2008, 02:38 PM) *
It's funny how everyone says the rumours will end becasue of this when this was pretty much expected. He signed a one year deal that will make him UFA next season, the Panthers have no chance keeping him and will likely trade him during the deadline or loose him for nothing

Fixed tongue.gif

I agree, if anything this assures his being traded. It just allows Florida to secure a better deal for themselves.
ericmedc
QUOTE (mchrissy77 @ Jul 28 2008, 08:51 PM) *
Fixed tongue.gif

I agree, if anything this assures his being traded. It just allows Florida to secure a better deal for themselves.


Wrong color laugh.gif
mchrissy77
QUOTE (ericmedc @ Jul 28 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Wrong color laugh.gif

laugh.gif D@mn!
gagsfan93
QUOTE (propp16 @ Jul 28 2008, 02:12 PM) *
What makes this all really funny is that Eklund had an article about the Flyers being in on JBo a few hours ago. Ha.

Link

Yeah eklund would base his predictions off that
FlyersGirl
QUOTE (phantomflyer @ Jul 28 2008, 12:39 PM) *
We can now put the Boumeester rumors to rest...The Florida Panthers just re-signed him to a one-year deal. See nhl.com for details!



QUOTE (SteelyDan @ Jul 28 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Wooohoooo!!! Now let's move forward with the team we have



QUOTE (Brophy @ Jul 28 2008, 02:01 PM) *
Im glad this non sense is over.



I hate to break it to you all, but the rumors are just getting started. wink.gif He is still scheduled to be a UFA in one year so they will still look into trading him instead of letting him walk for nothing.

Flyersrule25
Luckily this is over...What is next the Foppa rumors?
ericmedc
QUOTE (Flyersrule25 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:53 PM) *
Luckily this is over...What is next the Foppa rumors?


You don't read previous posts do you? wink.gif
Phifly10
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 28 2008, 05:23 PM) *
I hate to break it to you all, but the rumors are just getting started. wink.gif He is still scheduled to be a UFA in one year so they will still look into trading him instead of letting him walk for nothing.


i agree im thinking that most teams werent ready to part with players and picks for Jay B if he still wasnt under contract, now that they have a cap figure to work off of i think that he will be traded even faster
United
QUOTE (juggalo-flyer @ Jul 27 2008, 01:06 PM) *
ya but to let carter go to give us a solid d corp. would not be to bad for the fact that we have young players that are coming up and could replace carter


So you want to take away offense for defence?

I don't want to see Philly give up a lot for Bouwmeester. But something like Upshall for Cam Barker wouldn't be so bad.
OrangeAndBlack
You'd think by the way people covet this guy that he's Paul Coffey + Scott Stevens in one player.
FlyersGirl
QUOTE (United @ Jul 28 2008, 09:23 PM) *
So you want to take away offense for defence?

I don't want to see Philly give up a lot for Bouwmeester. But something like Upshall for Cam Barker wouldn't be so bad.

Build from the net out. Goaltending and defense wins championships.
PALE PWNR
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 29 2008, 12:57 AM) *
Build from the net out. Goaltending and defense wins championships.

smile.gif
propp16
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 29 2008, 12:57 AM) *
Build from the net out. Goaltending and defense wins championships.


+1.
philly fan 27
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 29 2008, 12:57 AM) *
Build from the net out. Goaltending and defense wins championships.

ive read that jay b isnt very solid in his own end and is more of an offensive first dman (like green, campbell i assume). is any of this true? i havent seen him play much
propp16
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Jul 29 2008, 09:57 AM) *
ive read that jay b isnt very solid in his own end and is more of an offensive first dman (like green, campbell i assume). is any of this true? i havent seen him play much


My understanding is that he's much improved in his own end but, when he first came into the league, he was not that good defensively.
FlyerGuy
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Jul 29 2008, 08:57 AM) *
ive read that jay b isnt very solid in his own end and is more of an offensive first dman (like green, campbell i assume). is any of this true? i havent seen him play much


He's a great skater. He's smart. Yes, he might be considered more of an offensive dman but I wouldn't say his defense is bad. He could probably play a little tougher though. Another huge plus is that he's only turning 25 this year (and playing his 7th season) so I'd say he hasn't even hit is prime yet, but is very close.'
I'd have no problems if Philly would go after him. At his age (and I don't know if he's ever had an injury in the NHL) they could offer him a long (10 year) contract without any worries. Our D would look dam good then.
ericmedc
QUOTE (FlyerGuy @ Jul 29 2008, 04:23 PM) *
He's a great skater. He's smart. Yes, he might be considered more of an offensive dman but I wouldn't say his defense is bad. He could probably play a little tougher though. Another huge plus is that he's only turning 25 this year (and playing his 7th season) so I'd say he hasn't even hit is prime yet, but is very close.'
I'd have no problems if Philly would go after him. At his age (and I don't know if he's ever had an injury in the NHL) they could offer him a long (10 year) contract without any worries. Our D would look dam good then.


+1
The Realist
QUOTE (United @ Jul 28 2008, 09:23 PM) *
So you want to take away offense for defence?

I don't want to see Philly give up a lot for Bouwmeester. But something like Upshall for Cam Barker wouldn't be so bad.


What was this team's biggest problem last year? Offense or defense?
Phifly10
QUOTE (FlyerGuy @ Jul 29 2008, 10:23 AM) *
He's a great skater. He's smart. Yes, he might be considered more of an offensive dman but I wouldn't say his defense is bad. He could probably play a little tougher though. Another huge plus is that he's only turning 25 this year (and playing his 7th season) so I'd say he hasn't even hit is prime yet, but is very close.'
I'd have no problems if Philly would go after him. At his age (and I don't know if he's ever had an injury in the NHL) they could offer him a long (10 year) contract without any worries. Our D would look dam good then.


yep i agree, in his 5 seasons in the NHL he has played all 82 games in 4 of them and 61 in the other one, he was a minus 15 last year but when you played as much as he did for a team that bad im not sure thats a thing to worry about, as he was a plus 23 the previous year, (both seasons played all 82 games) hes just a great young defender, and if the flyers can make a trade for him not with carter and keep the long term deal around 5 million per then they are stealing him at that age and talent
Phifly10
QUOTE (The Realist @ Jul 29 2008, 10:38 AM) *
What was this team's biggest problem last year? Offense or defense?


exactly, giving up two top 9 forwards for bouwmeester from last year is worth the cost ten fold to help our back end, we have players that can fit a role of upshall, downie or knuble, and to tell you the truth losing a first round for this guy would be worth it too
The Realist
QUOTE (Phifly10 @ Jul 29 2008, 10:42 AM) *
exactly, giving up two top 9 forwards for bouwmeester from last year is worth the cost ten fold to help our back end, we have players that can fit a role of upshall, downie or knuble, and to tell you the truth losing a first round for this guy would be worth it too


If someone like Bouwmeister came here the rest of the D falls into place. You don't have to worry about extending other non proven guys too far because with Timonen, Coburn and Bouw, you easily have your top 3.

You can either put Bowemeister with Timonen or keep Coburn with Timonen and let Jay anchor his own pairing. Then you don't have to worry about making all these 3rd pairing guys into something they aren't.
Phifly10
QUOTE (The Realist @ Jul 29 2008, 10:50 AM) *
If someone like Bouwmeister came here the rest of the D falls into place. You don't have to worry about extending other non proven guys too far because with Timonen, Coburn and Bouw, you easily have your top 3.

You can either put Bowemeister with Timonen or keep Coburn with Timonen and let Jay anchor his own pairing. Then you don't have to worry about making all these 3rd pairing guys into something they aren't.


yeah because then you would have 3 great two way swift footed d men that you can almost always have one on the ice at some point, it would basically completely sure up the back end
propp16
QUOTE (The Realist @ Jul 29 2008, 10:50 AM) *
If someone like Bouwmeister came here the rest of the D falls into place. You don't have to worry about extending other non proven guys too far because with Timonen, Coburn and Bouw, you easily have your top 3.

You can either put Bowemeister with Timonen or keep Coburn with Timonen and let Jay anchor his own pairing. Then you don't have to worry about making all these 3rd pairing guys into something they aren't.


+1

The top half of our defense would be absolutely sick if we landed JBo. On top of that, if Parent developed well and Eminger panned out this season... wow. Just wow.

I think Parent and Bouwemeester would make a great pairing.
FlyersGirl
QUOTE (philly fan 27 @ Jul 29 2008, 09:57 AM) *
ive read that jay b isnt very solid in his own end and is more of an offensive first dman (like green, campbell i assume). is any of this true? i havent seen him play much

No, not true. He is a very solid defenseively. He logs the most minutes in the league and plays every situation. His defensive game is better than his offensive game, IMO. He is good offensively, but his offensive game hasn't quite developed as much as everyone thought it would. I expect him to put up big numbers on a good team, though.
Andy
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 29 2008, 01:25 PM) *
His defensive game is better than his offensive game, IMO.

Wow. Seriously? Can't say I agree there at all. Imo, he's getting the kind of money he's getting because of his offensive game, not his defensive game. I agree on the point that he plays big minutes, and all situations. But to say his defensive game is better than his offensive game is a bit of a stretch, imo. I think his defensive game leaves a lot to be desired, and he certainly needs to use his size to his advantage much more often.
Retire#27
QUOTE (FlyersGirl @ Jul 29 2008, 01:25 PM) *
No, not true. He is a very solid defenseively. He logs the most minutes in the league and plays every situation. His defensive game is better than his offensive game, IMO. He is good offensively, but his offensive game hasn't quite developed as much as everyone thought it would. I expect him to put up big numbers on a good team, though.

He's young, so I won't write him off yet, but he definitely has some defensive improvements to make before he can start to be compared to someone like Lidstrom (not that you did, what I'm trying to say is that he's good, but not elite or even great defensively, in my opinion).
FlyerGuy
QUOTE (Retire#27 @ Jul 29 2008, 12:32 PM) *
He's young, so I won't write him off yet, but he definitely has some defensive improvements to make before he can start to be compared to someone like Lidstrom (not that you did, what I'm trying to say is that he's good, but not elite or even great defensively, in my opinion).


True. Something else to think about is that he's had very little to play for during his NHL Career. No postseason play and usually little hope in even making the playoffs. After awhile that can make it very tough to come to the rink, let alone play good hockey. I don't doubt his game would improve a fair bit playing with a contender.
The Realist
QUOTE (propp16 @ Jul 29 2008, 11:14 AM) *
+1

The top half of our defense would be absolutely sick if we landed JBo. On top of that, if Parent developed well and Eminger panned out this season... wow. Just wow.

I think Parent and Bouwemeester would make a great pairing.


Don't ever call him JBo again or I will revoke your man card.

In all seriousness, I agree. With Bouw guys aren't being asked to be something they aren't. He ll, they are paying Jones like a 3/4 guy, with Bouw as a partner he would be.
The Realist
QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 27 2008, 01:49 PM) *
What young centers do they have that could replace Carter? I'd love to see you state some names. But none of them that you mention will be capable centers that have the potential that Carter does.



Right now? Nobody you are right. A month or so again? Umberger.

I valued Carter as a higher priority than Umberger, but within reason. Carter's contract is outside of that reason. At that pricetag I would have let Carter walk, resigned RJ and then made a move for Bouwmeister instead of Eminger and Vaananen.
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